EVE General Discussion

Most people who leave EVE in the first few weeks / months of their time, will be the type who don't like the game or don't have time. It's quitye logical to expect that most of these will be those who haven't progressed out of the NPC corps 'because' of these very reasons. That in itself does not mean there's anything wrong with NPC corps.

However, what it does mean, is that you (as a business) have a window of opportunity to win over people into the game when they're in NPC. And maybe NPC corps can be changed to better 'sell' to the game to new comers than they do now. The points are subtly different.

Personally I think most 'leaverr' people join EVE expecting WOW in space, or COD in spaceships, or something equally banal, and arrive, find that it is actually far more complex and engrossed than they realise and quit after a short attempt and trying to copy their normal gameplay and become bored. Because they've not really engaged with the game, they haven;'t left NPC, and consequently they're one of those statistical NPC Leavers. THis has nothing to do with NPC corps.

Perosnally, EVE is better off without them.

Player losses from non-rookie NPC corps is a different matter though. Many will drop from a player corp, and then quit the game. And thus they also add to the NPC leavers statistic.

There are so many genuine non-NPC related reasons for leaving EVE 'via' the NPC corps, that a significant correlation between the two is probably not likely to be achived.

Remeber, stats are spun according to the pararmeters that are chosen to be included and excluded.

Just following that logic. People like warm and cosy, so they stay in the corp. If you then force them into something that's not what they like (ie not warm and cosy) I would think they're at much greater risk of leaving - as suddenly they're not in something they like.

(Clearly there are exceptions, and a few will discover the riches of risk and rewrd, but that's probably a tiny minoiryt).

I play EVE to relax. For me, relaxation means doing what I want with no obligations to others. I've been in player corps that say they're relaxed and let you do what you want, but then it soon becomes clear there's still a certain level of expectation that you'll fulfill various obligations. I don't want to be made to feel bad just because I choose what to do with my own time, and so I leave and go back to the NPC corp where nobody has any expectations of me.

You might want to tell that to certain other posters who've called those of us who choose to stay in NPC corps cowards, risk averse, immature, not hardcore enough, petty facists, etc.

This thread still exists?

Those NPC haters are mad because they are surrounded by blues in their big alliances, or they never left highsec and are addicted to shoot easy prey.

agreed, ... but, also bare in mind. One mans gristle, is another mans meat. What you might find boring, others might find reassuring and good (and even interesting). It is swings and roundabouts.

Wrong, you just want to grief new players and pad you kill board.

Problem with that is - Not everyone will gel with a group.


Example:
We might find 1 in 3 people who join suit the corp culture.

So 2 will leave not having really gotten into things/enjoying it while 1 has a great time and stays.

So the only comments that would be left would be from the 2 who didnt click with the corp.

The people who stay are not going to be represented with your idea.




It takes time to find a corp that suits.
You need to try a few before you find a home where you will fit in.

Perhaps I didn't explain my self well enough, because you're saying I said something I didn't actually say. (Or perhaps I could accuse you of using the logical fallacy called a straw-man argument? :) ) My apologies if so, and I'll try to explain more clearly.

I'm not at all saying that "they ALL do something." I'm saying that my belief is being in an NPC corp does not cause people to not do stuff together. I'm saying that my belief is being in an NPC corp does not cause people to quit EVE.

Players can be, and are, social in NPC corps. Players can be, and are, social in player corps. People who quit EVE while they are in an NPC corp would, I bet, still quit EVE while they are in a player corp. (Except they'd likely get kicked and end up in an NPC corp and be tallied as an NPC corp member anyway, it seems.)

Take every single person who's ever tried EVE but quit, never having been in a player corp, and if they had been forced/incented into joining a player corp before quitting and I bet hardly any of them would have stuck around anyway. Take all the people who have stuck with EVE in an NPC corp and force/incent them into joining a player corp, and I bet a fair number of them will quit EVE. Net result for CCP would be, in my mind, a loss of playerbase. YMMV. -shrug-

In nullsec a Corp or Alliance can go to war against anyone they like without any mechanic in the game preventing them.

The same in lowsec, with the only consequence outside FW being crime watch if they don't pay for a war.

There is nothing special about highsec that should prevent aggression on the Corp/Alliance scale. But unfortunately CONCORD does prevent it, so the wardec mechanic is consistent with what can be achieved elsewhere in the game.

Without CONCORD, no wardec mechanic would be needed.