Warfare & Tactics

cheap blow. but its true, but that leaves us all open for fire.

We chose to fight because the FC got us rallied by saying we would get a fight, because we wanted a fight, and because it was not immediately clear just how onesided the fight would be. We had either eight or nine in system by then, and at first it just looked like we were a little outnumbered. As ships came onscan it became clear we were grossly outgunned and that the blackbirds would not be enough to even it up since you had two as well. At that point the decision was made, "**** it, lets try to get a cynabal".

This does not in any way negate the fact that you chose to have a bad, one-sided fight. You chose to wait a bit over twenty minutes building numbers and getting specific ships in the system next door, rather than coming once you had enough to fight us, or probably beat us. You waited until victory was assured.. in a video game. Not even fighting over a station, a pos, or something of value, but over a medium FW plex. You had a chance to get a good fight and made a deliberate choice to pass on it.

And yeah, originally we had a moa, a rupture, an omen and something else and two blackbirds.. against a bunch of AFs and two thoraxes, outnumbering us by three. That was not an uneven fight.

Jesus H.

Is the "you brought more, we brought more" crap still going on?

You have a few guys out roaming around in a small ish gang looking for a fight / gank / run away like girls to a superior fleet or whatever - You then get a couple more people log on or come back from afk and the first thing they ask is "anything going on guys" The response is normally (in my corp anyway) "yeh we are out in xyz ships come and join us".

Then 4 of you becomes 7, that becomes 15 and before you know it you end up with a decent size "blob" - we all do it and i dont know any corps who would say to someone asking that "no, naff off and go do your own thing" because if you did your corp would become very small very quick.

And @ Damar, SoTF came back to FW cos the other options we tried in Eve were pretty crap for us and as most of my corp were all recruited within FW its very very difficult changings peoples play styles when they are very comfortable with one theyve played in for the last couple of years.

Since we came back have we had some good fights? hell yes, have we been ganked? hell yes.

Some of the best scraps i have had recently have been against you and squatty + friends in the after downtime rush for plexxes and more often than not you kicked our arses, you are a good pvper and it cost me and popie an arm and a leg in replacing ships

You outblobbed us on occasions, we outblobbed you on occasions - Thats Eve.

I remember a couple of years ago when Caldari was in full swing and pretty much outblobbed us every night of the week and in every fight, but we did something about it, we got organised created the then MDP and moved ourselves into a new low sec base and created a much tighter, closer group of pilots and corps to try and fight against a bigger opponent. It worked and ever since those days a core of us have stuck together and work together on a daily basis, what we created worked (we had major fallouts where some people still hold grudges even today, so it was a long way from perfect).

Caldari tried to do a similar thing over time with the CDI thing which in the end didnt work and caused a rift which never seemed to ever fix itself and ever since then the reality is that corps have come and gone but no-one has ever created anything similar since that has come close to working, the Enaluri crowd just never seemed to work either - in the main, random corps doing their own thing with no interest in working with other people - you reap what you sow.

We were very lucky in that we had CEO's of corps who actually understood how to organise people and understood that no matter what the fallouts / arguments were the end goal was for us to be able to work together efficiently when we fleeted up without all the ego crap that seemed to blight the caldari. /emote tips his hat to a certain Ammon Dei who spent many hours with me on Vent keeping things as smooth as we could

Now, hopefully with a certain Mr Synns joining you guys he can be a catalyst in gettting your arses into gear and getting people organised and actually start to kick our arse again. Time will tell.

So now you have taken on the responsibility of deciding what's fun in this game,eh? You ever considered the opposition not seeing the fun in 2 Blackbirds?



Either you think way too highly of gallente pilots, trust me, most aren't that good. Or, you don't put much stock in your Blackbird pilots and i doubt there that bad. Or, you just don't know **** about how ECM works relative to a ships sensor strength.
That would have been far from an even fight if your Blackbird pilots aren't 1 month old newbies who were in there first ever pvp fight. Not impossible, but far from even...

Oh I gave up on it already. Sure I could most likely turn system vulnerable but Caldari has no people to bust a bunker. Plus I also left their so called intel channels because they again suggested having a temp-blue op with Gallentes to shoot neutral carriers. I have no desire to be around such people to be honest. Call it ego or drama-lama but there are things one should not do when in war.

So I quess it's time to grab the book of grudges and go pay back some old debts to people who has so far escaped their fate. You can pop the drinks now and make a seperate thread about it I quess.

You seem to be under impression that there were ever more than half a dozen people plexing actively after caldari initially occupied all systems and that at some point there were no loudmouths in miltiia chat actively saying "dont go plexing, we might, just, possibly...have a wt in Tama undock. X for fleet".

I tried it for years, guided people and so forth. Results were mainly undone by bigger FC's bluntly stating "Dont go with Damar, it's boring and unrewarding. Come camp a gate with me for 2 hours, i'm sure we'll have splendid time". At the same time they expected me to help them with their moongoo schemes or join fleets whose express purpose was to team up with war targets against some neutrals.

Most people in Caldari militia have the following mindset: "I must farm fw missions for isk, so I can buy gametime, so I can farm more missions for more gametime". That's how it goes and therefore i'm not about to waste my time trying to fight superior numbers with them because experience has showed me that you guys wont enter a plex without a mind-set that victory is 100% assured (like happened in Agoze, where you of course got spanked in 2vs7 because people like Val really do suck at pvp).

I could cover few hours of the day. So what? Jesus blob goes and takes a system anyway because as we have seen, nobody gives a damn. Even if the fight would be 1-2j from ones homebase. As Dynast says, if one is not having fun anymore, why bother. So go and have fun roaming empty Black Rise soon since I know i'm not the only person who is moving on elsewhere.

Arent you the guy whose first action on arriving to Intaki was to smack in local and second action was going home in pod express? And arent you to guy who gets his pilgirm tackled by thrasher and whose rapier runs away from thrasher?

Yep, same guy.

It is not about Damar really.

This is going smoothly.

LMAO! - YES it does put it on you.

You CHOSE to engage a KNOWN superior force and are now complaining about the results. Are you frikkin kidding me?

We CHOSE not to engage because of your Blackbirds - TWO of them, against 2 cruisers and the rest frigs. We weren't even all in the same fleet or even on the same comms. Your Blackbirds are what are called "force multipliers". If you don't know what that means, I will happily explain in another post. Those BB's would have shut most of us down permanently. You had the superior force at that time so we CHOSE not to engage. You didn't see us come here and complain about it did you? Nope. We reshipped - got fleeted - got on comms - and came back with a known superior force. This was no arranged "fair" fight. This was a fight to run you out of the plex. You KNEW what we had BEFORE you engaged. You had every opportunity to get out as you were inside the plex and had us on scan - so there was no question what you were going to have to fight.

I give props for the willingness to still engage knowing you were outgunned - but holy crap, to then come here and complain about it when you could have avoided it is unbelievable....

Understood, we shall no longer engage the Galente if their fleet is superior to our fleet in any way. I look forward to blocking many of your militia mates as they spam local with "you guys are p8ssies" "we pwn space". I also look forward to the Caldari never fight threads on the forums.

BTW Galente already say this now :P

Also BTW I completely agree that we should never engage a force that we are not certain to defeat. That is the way of EVE and it works. I will be reverting to this effective time honored strategy. I have been effing around too much lately. Either we blob and face-r*pe or you blob and face-r*pe, otherwise no fights. Lets get good at hiding fleets form each other. 50/50 fights are for morons who join militia for pew pew. I want to win and never lose a ship. I am not kidding. This is not a troll. I am dead serious.


I don't play this game to sit in station so I guess maybe it is time to leave militia and let the next set of players figure out out. Until then I look forward to the few ganks I get and congratulate you on the ganks you will get.

This thread is very telling, anyone want to take bets on how much longer eve has before CCP goes out of business? (that is until Dust makes the big $$$...yeah...)