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Caldari vs Gallente FW

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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#61 - 2011-12-03 06:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
X Gallentius wrote:
Yeah when are we all gonna team up and start taking those high value moons in low sec?
We are probably not going to. I think the devs have decided on a course of action that will leave guys like you and me out in the cold. I believe they are going to initiate several changes, chiefly, Alliances in FW, no NPC navy in high sec and changes to FW missions so that they will require a small gang to run them.Alliances will join FW, make even more money, establish a stranglehold on lowsec, take over the moons, the planets, camp the enemy FW mission hubs while they farm their own, and thats going to be the end of real FW as lowsec gets awarded to alliances who have never fought for the ground we have spilled so much blood over.

But, to answer your question in a straightforward manner, such cooperation could occur after mutual respect for each others space was established, and Gal incursions into Blackrise were a thing of the past, and I'm sure Caldari incursions into Gallente space would also have to stop.My personal stance is I will fight this war until Gallente learns to stay out of Caldari space. Once and if they do I would then feel little compulsion to go into Gallente space and violate their sovereignty, but until they learn to respect ours I don't see us respecting theirs. After that happened, it would be a simple matter of determining how the moon goo proceeds would be split up , once we took them.

The fact is even large alliances would have a fit defending those moons if we put the same effort into attacking them as we have each other. We live there, we have the shorter logistical tail.They would constantly have to shuttle assets in and out to defend them from their null sec bases of operations. They could win most of the fights but not the war.We can sustain a Tempo of operations that they can't, and if they can they may prove unwilling to do so in the long term.Tying up their ships to defend from our constant attacks every time they pulled out to deploy elsewhere is gonna get annoying. Keep throwing POS into reinforce and keep running when they show up. Eventually we will catch them when they dont show up.We will take it, then they will retake it. Rinse, wash, repeat.
After months of it I think we would prevail.They cant win a war where they don't live.They can win fights, but not a war. The only interest they would have is for the ISK, and once we make it more trouble than it's worth there is no longer a cherry in it for them.

It is, in the end, as in any war, all about destroying the enemies will to fight.I dont think we could ever beat CAP fleets ( but we could rob them of a CAP here and there, quite embarrassing to lose a CAP to militia, i might add), but I do think we could destroy their will to fight by turning what they see as an opportunity into a liabiltity that ties up too many of their assets that could be employed elsewhere for more gain with less effort.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#62 - 2011-12-03 08:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Someday, someone is gonna come along that knows how to actually fight, and win a WAR, and you will all be gone.Someone that doesn't spend the majority of their time bemoaning the game mechanics and slagging their own militia and engaging in incessant pissing festivals.


Go and retake (for example) Nennamaila then oh Alexander if you know how to fight the war. But I quess you are still too busy attempting to get suckers to go along with your "lets have moongoo isk factory for my RMT" scheme since I cannot imagine other reason why you've been attempting get it going for years now.

And you are also asking enemy for aid. Tell me this. Why are you in the militia at all then because clearly you dont need the militia and only see them as pool of suckers to exploit. Form your own alliance of fellow high-sec dwellers and go get those moons. I'm sure you can do it Mr. USMC.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#63 - 2011-12-03 12:26:16 UTC
Serious question to people for a change: I have noticed that plex timers do not recognise Naga as legit ship for capturing timers (for example, flying to unrestricted plex in shuttle or noob ship would not trigger timer either).

Has anyone else had similiar problems with new tier 3 battlecruisers?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#64 - 2011-12-03 13:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
Oh my, why these retards want to remake EVE again.

Fw is not for serious business at all, it just for fights and fights for system occupancy and plex warfare. Not for money. If you want some fancy rewards go to 0.0.

Problem in plex pvp is that environment is different form any other pvp in EVE. Fights happen in plexes which are unknown mystery for most. That is only because they think that plexeing is PVE and they do not bother to gather intel about plexing environment. Without intel those seems impossible and scary places to fight and that is why most FC leave those alone.

Gallente will win this round, just because those veterans who have been all the time in FW have gathered some intel about plexes and how those work as pvp environment and are not scared to fight on those.

Knowing the mechanics give you facts to make fleet compositions that can fight in plexes on your terms not with enemy terms.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#65 - 2011-12-03 14:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Someday, someone is gonna come along that knows how to actually fight, and win a WAR, and you will all be gone.Someone that doesn't spend the majority of their time bemoaning the game mechanics and slagging their own militia and engaging in incessant pissing festivals.


Go and retake (for example) Nennamaila then oh Alexander if you know how to fight the war. But I quess you are still too busy attempting to get suckers to go along with your "lets have moongoo isk factory for my RMT" scheme since I cannot imagine other reason why you've been attempting get it going for years now.

And you are also asking enemy for aid. Tell me this. Why are you in the militia at all then because clearly you dont need the militia and only see them as pool of suckers to exploit. Form your own alliance of fellow high-sec dwellers and go get those moons. I'm sure you can do it Mr. USMC.


Why don't you go retake Nenn, as buttonry is your area of expertise, or are you still busy conquering Intaki?Unless of course you have thrown up your hands and surrendered altogether.Your Gallente foes rejoice on these very forums over your pitiful lack of resolve and determination.It pains me to see the public face of our militia so full of doubt, so bitter, hopeless and foundering.Perhaps it is time you took a vacation in a brighter nebulae, the better to clear the space clouds from your mind.

Never said I would lead the way, rather that someone will, if not on our side, then theirs. As to whether it is feasible or not be assured that CAPS are already being built out of materials coming from Blackrise.

You didn't accuse me of engaging in some RMT scheme, did you?You dont have to imagine any other reason why I endorse functional control of space as it's stated clearly in the post , CAP construction.That's a nobler ambition than playing "button, button who's got the button".

Caldari space would be better defended with Capitals in our hangars, and that's a fact.I'm sorry if the development of your play style was stunted by too many hours of mindlessly orbiting a meaningless object in a small ship.Perhaps it was during those endless hours that your fierce skills as a forum warrior were developed.I understand the presence of capital ships on the field makes you uncomfortable, but they are the impending reality, especially if CCP allows alliances in, so deal with it, unless of course you are planning to depart when the big boys show up in the big ships.

For my part let me respond to your suggestion that I leave militia. I was here long before you arrived, and I am quite certain I will still be here fighting for Caldari space long after you are gone.

I'm still in militia because Gallente still come into Blackrise. Even a halfwit could understand from my post no Gals in Caldari space was the top priority.Those are my war goals, and there is no dishonor in acheiving them.Kick out the gals, build big ships. Not very complex, no RMT necessary.If they want to leave of their own accord and ask for the same in return that's not unreasonable.I can respect that.I am a Caldari patriot but to me they are just targets, I am not emotionally invested in some pecker contest with them.I can always find other targets as well , any pirates or alliances in Caldari space will do.

Let me share with you what exactly it was that the USMC taught me, and what the difference is between you and me Damar, dear friend, is that while you fly through the dark skies of Intaki, alone, bitter and abandoned, my will to fight remains intact.

I had thought to counsel you about your apparent lack of self esteem, but then I realized in your case it was just good common sense.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#66 - 2011-12-03 14:40:22 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
bla bla about buiding capitals in lowsec.


Good for you, some other corps buy titans with isk they got from FW missions.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#67 - 2011-12-03 14:58:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Bad Messenger wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
bla bla about buiding capitals in lowsec.


Good for you, some other corps buy titans with isk they got from FW missions.
Yes, you did, and then you screwed off once you got from it what you wanted.What's the word for a harlot in Finnish?
mental maverick
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#68 - 2011-12-03 15:59:30 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
"Metric tons of stupid"


I never thought it possible but you are even more entertaining than Damar or BM.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#69 - 2011-12-03 16:13:18 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Yes, you did, and then you screwed off once you got from it what you wanted.What's the word for a harlot in Finnish?


I dont think your ISK was involved in acquiring it?
JasonXXL
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2011-12-03 17:17:35 UTC
There has been quite alot of talk about the Gallente like to bring what Damar calls the Jesusblob. I would however like to point out that those Jesusblobs are rarely formed to take on the Caldari, simply because it is a rare occasion indeed to see Caldari roaming down the pipes in our timezone in what can be described in lowsec terms as a medium sized fleet. Of course there is always some Caldari pilots and small gangs floating around in the pipes that are just ahving some fun and ganking some guys, but a true full-fledged Caldari fleet is, much to my disappointment, quite rare. Most of those Jesusblobs are really just roaming fleets or if we roll a bit heavy fleets set up to take on pirate corps/alliances like Shadow Cartel and Snuffbox. Those pirate entities have usually very solid setups, good FC's and on average perhaps pilots with more skillpoints than your average SP-DR member has (I only have 30msp for example). To take these guys on with their shiny toys we therefore need to travel quite heavy sometimes and perhaps even outnumber them quite a bit to stand a chance.

I have also seen quite a few remarks made by Caldari pilots in local chat about the so called logiblobs that the Gallente, and perhaps in particular SP-DR and our Alliance, like to field. Fact is however that we field mostly armour ships and the nature of that little beast is that they don't have the GTFO ability that the shieldtankers have that Caldari pilots like to use in their fleets. In order to survive one therefore needs a solid logi backbone. The Caldari have also for as long as I have been in FW fielded quite alot of ecm: a Caldari fleet without a Falcon is not a true Caldari fleet. I have also noticed that the Caldari have recently started fielding alot more ecm drones, up to the point that there would be only ecm drones fielded by Caldari pilots. Since we can't use smartbombing ships due to FW mechanics when non SP-DR members are in fleet, we have to build in some redundancy in the logistics group because some jamms will get through, even with strong local and remote eccm.

I am also aware that the Caldari are low on numbers (not counting all the mission running alts of course; sometimes I feel that I only ever encounter a Caldari pilot in a manticore). I really hope one or two decent sized corps will join your ranks soon to level the playing field. However there are other ways to even the odds. I have seen the Caldari using alot more logistics lately and I think that they have had quite a few (near) succeses with them, so keep that up. Also you have quite a strong setup in Ravens and Rokhs that you have sometimes fielded. If I were an FC in the Caldari militia or CEO of THE4 I would really invest into that setup. And this is to all you Caldari pilots: if your FC asks you to bring a specific setup then bring it, and don't go messing around with it yourself because 1) judging from what I have seen on the kb's, it will be very fail 2) your FC can not judge correctly what the capabilities are of his fleet. Changing into BS will even the odds against a larger force that is eg. in Bc's and I for one will happily fight your Bs fleet when we are in Bc's. The Drake only goes so far as well (mainly GTFO and low dps; the tank makes it very forgiving for newer pilots, granted) but the Bs fleet might be a change of the same old same old.

Now there is nothing left for me to do then expect the complaints about hotrops, neutral logi, neutral carriers, neutral boosters, batphones (never used one, but I'm sure someone will think we did), and of course us pushing the winbutton of epic awesomesauce: Shelley09
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#71 - 2011-12-03 18:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
JasonXXL wrote:
I really hope one or two decent sized corps will join your ranks soon to level the playing field. However there are other ways to even the odds.


No you dont really. If that would happen you would do what happened with Draketrain being in militia. You would stay docked up, wait for said corp to get bored and leave. Then you would undock again. You quite enjoy being in enviroment where you can gank people at will and never feel challenged.

Then again, that is quite normal for most eve players. Very few are actually willing to take any risks or challenge if they can at all avoid it. Your side is just more vocal than most about being in the game for "good fites" (Was hilarious seeing Madbuster rage in local today and demand that some pirates should not blob him since he was looking for solo-pvp with his loki links in local).
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#72 - 2011-12-03 18:55:50 UTC
I've been in a few plexing fleets, right around nennamaila with gallente pilots active, and they do not ship down to fight cruisers or frigs. They stay in whatever they're currently fielding and try to score a few kills whenever we exit the system. In two months I have not yet seen a gallente fleet enter a plex to engage caldari. I have seen caldari fleets enter plexes to engage gallente, but they only stick around if they have a discernable advantage in numbers and tonnage. Frex the fight a couple nights back in a minor in Enaluri, the gals were fine with 6v4 but vanished when we picked up a couple more and made it 6v7, despite having better hulls.

I am not interested in scoring points on a virtual scoreboard when the process involved is boring as **** and does not result in any sort of interesting combat. Adding penalties for being in FW (such as lost docking rights or blocked agents when a system is controlled by the other side) would make me question why CCP wants to kick me out of FW so bad. Put an ISK value on capping those plexes, preferably in straight ISK rather than continually devalued LP, and you better believe people would give a damn.
JasonXXL
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2011-12-03 19:04:15 UTC
Ahh yes, of course, should have included the damar troll in the 'to be expected' list. Isn't Damar Day coming up soon?
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#74 - 2011-12-03 20:23:10 UTC
All we need is Daniel Jackson and MNG to post and we'll have a full set of trolls in this thread. Big smile
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2011-12-03 20:31:12 UTC
Trolling for Damar tears aside, I will say that last night us Qcats did get in at least 3 fights related to plexing. Good times had by us at least......

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#76 - 2011-12-04 02:08:13 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
Trolling for Damar tears aside, I will say that last night us Qcats did get in at least 3 fights related to plexing. Good times had by us at least......


You just ran from a 9v6 in a Caldari Outpost in Hikkoken where you had the nine. We had tech one cruisers, you had AFs and a couple thoraxes. There was 45 seconds left on the button.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#77 - 2011-12-04 02:20:10 UTC
Dynast wrote:
Garr Earthbender wrote:
Trolling for Damar tears aside, I will say that last night us Qcats did get in at least 3 fights related to plexing. Good times had by us at least......


You just ran from a 9v6 in a Caldari Outpost in Hikkoken where you had the nine. We had tech one cruisers, you had AFs and a couple thoraxes. There was 45 seconds left on the button.


Hah.. turns out they just needed twenty minutes to get fifteen guys in faction cruisers.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2011-12-04 02:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Garr Earthbender
I did? I'm still at work. Question

+1 for self quoting.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#79 - 2011-12-04 02:51:54 UTC
Dynast wrote:
Dynast wrote:
Garr Earthbender wrote:
Trolling for Damar tears aside, I will say that last night us Qcats did get in at least 3 fights related to plexing. Good times had by us at least......


You just ran from a 9v6 in a Caldari Outpost in Hikkoken where you had the nine. We had tech one cruisers, you had AFs and a couple thoraxes. There was 45 seconds left on the button.


Hah.. turns out they just needed twenty minutes to get fifteen guys in faction cruisers.


maybe that is famous jesus blob ? !
mental maverick
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#80 - 2011-12-04 03:02:06 UTC
Dynast wrote:
Hah.. turns out they just needed twenty minutes to get fifteen guys in faction cruisers.

Good god, man! Is what you are saying true? Someone brought more people to a fight then you did? And this happened in Eve online you say!? Shocked

I sure am glad you had your wits about you enough so you could come here to the forums to bring news of this, extremely rare event, to the rest community. We owe you all our thanks.

You, sir, are a hero.