Science & Industry

Poor you, you don't have to pay taxes

It's your choise to get better isks from wormholes and still the taxing will effect you also.

It will effect everyone in this game so yes you need to complain about it cause it effects you also.

You might not see it yet but you will when the prices start to sky rocket.

MY BELLY ACHES TOO!

I THINK IM HUNGRY THOUGH

Nope I can't see it, cause I'm looking at the rising fuel and equipment prices.

And yes it is your choise to try to get your isks out from WH space. No one says you need to go there and do it, it is entirely your choise. Someone don't want to try it and will never even go there. Then someone wants to profit from the industrialists there and so on. Thats the idea of the game, you can do what you want.

Paying taxes that rise prices for everyone even you is not something anyone wants. I know I can add the tax to the end product if I do empire PI and get it back from the consumer but I think its wrong cause the value of isk will change. It just feels wrong.

Again my opinion but I don't think that even PVP players want to pay more from their t2 ships cause POS fuel prices triple. And yes the price will end up into the end product. No one works for free (ok someone does).

Hisec PI gets taxed (largely) out of existence.
Lowsec/NPC Null PI gets largely curtailed by the locals for lulz.
W-space/Sov Null PI looses the above as competition and reaps increased profits if they can defend their operations.
(Eventually prices rise to the point where some Hi/Lo PI become profitable again for the risk-averse and anti-social)

I'm ok with this.

5 CO's means you basically had to kill 5 small pos's (same number of hp but a higher shield regen on the CO). For a small corp/solo person that is alot, for the decent sized corps/alliances it's child's play.

I don't get it.

I paid about 1.2m isk in taxes to export 1620 of a certain POS fuel off a high-sec factory planet of mine. By the looks of it, I'm able to sell it for like 35-40 times that amount. For less then 10 minutes of PI clicking every 2.5 days.

I fail to see the complaints here. People are still making isk from PI.

Maybe somebody can check my math on something...

I've been flying a spreadsheet for some time, and based on Jita prices as of 5 hours ago it tells me that PI in high-sec is still pretty darned profitable. My extractor->P1 worlds (Oxygen and Plasmoids -- yes I know this wasn't optimum for hi-sec even pre-patch but I'm lazy) are actually about 5-10% more profitable than before. P3->P4 looks incredibly profitable, with one Sterile Conduits processor supposedly profiting 1.7M per hour even if you use instant buy and sell, and all P4->P5 if you get inputs with buy orders rather than instant.

Factory worlds for P0->P1 are a waste, but that was usually the case anyway. P1->P2 and P2->P3 definitely took a hit with the patch, but are still mostly profitable if you buy and sell with market orders rather than instant, even allowing for some slop in getting a good price. Some are still profitable even with instant trades (Vital Agent: 13K per hour per processor with instants, 59K with patience).

My spreadsheet bases price on reasonable quantities available, includes broker fees for market orders, includes sales tax, includes export cost, includes import cost, and assumes that the buy/sell spread will narrow by 10% before market orders are actually filled.

Supposedly doing diversified P3->P4 in hi-sec would net me 5-15M ISK per hour per planet. This seems absurd, and not consistent with the complaints about new taxes. What am I missing? Is this just a blip in the market, soon to be "fixed" by rising P3 costs?

+1. Let me hear an AMEN!


Now, you dogs without big alliance funding and T2 BPOs, prepare to bow before your new mistress! ME! BWA HA HA HA HA!


Seriously though this is, while fantastic for my bottom line, bad for eve overall.

but but but the solo players with seven PI accounts will get bored shooting interbus offices