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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-02-11 02:20:42 UTC
Foedus Latro wrote:
Miyamoto wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Ion Udan wrote:
Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after.

yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon.
and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic.

Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them.

Are you calling out Isogen 5 for farming? I don't understand

your secret is out foedus!

There is no Bob.

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2015-02-11 02:34:13 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance?


One must keep up appearances. The true PvP Elite never stoop to making ISK on their MAINS... Such a thing is an unthinkable abomination.

To shoot red crosses with a main is tantamount to slumming with the churls of K-space. Mortal sins, brother. Mortal. Sins.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-02-11 03:20:14 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance?

One must keep up appearances. The true PvP Elite never stoop to making ISK on their MAINS... Such a thing is an unthinkable abomination.

To shoot red crosses with a main is tantamount to slumming with the churls of K-space. Mortal sins, brother. Mortal. Sins.

the loss mails look bad on the old KB too.

There is no Bob.

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Credacom
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2015-02-11 04:32:42 UTC
meh
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#65 - 2015-02-11 05:14:03 UTC
The only mitigating factor is that one set of bears are being replaced with another set, but the new set are part of a giant multi-tentacled beast. I doubt that this will create more content - RudinV and Blood union aren't around to exploit a giant network of licensed bears. This is what happens when the environment is disturbed by catastrophic changes - the ecology adapts to the loss of a top predator.

Sure, the alt corps might be thrown on the fire of being seeded by gank squads of capitals, but no one has the tenacity, communal lack of a real life or sheer chutzpah to recreate BU's terror campaign. So the kine and ovine beasts crop their pastures unfettered, fertilising the place with nothing in particular, knowing they willjust ring the bell and be bailed out by a blob of dozens of T3's the instant someone tries evicting them.

TL;DR can someone tell RudinV he's got a lot of work to come back to.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2015-02-11 05:34:44 UTC
RudinV-senpai is in HK

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Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2015-02-11 06:36:21 UTC
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote:
The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them.
That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us...

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Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2015-02-11 06:59:25 UTC
Billy Hardcore wrote:
i feel so conflicted right now


Hey Billy you owe me 5 bil baby

2014.10.12
Quote:

[20:08:51] Billy Hardcore > 5 bil says iso is in some alliance in 2-3 months
[20:08:59] Bronya Boga > HAHAHAHAHAHA
[20:09:03] Bronya Boga > ill take that bet
Ariete
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-02-11 09:29:50 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance?


One must keep up appearances. The true PvP Elite never stoop to making ISK on their MAINS... Such a thing is an unthinkable abomination.

To shoot red crosses with a main is tantamount to slumming with the churls of K-space. Mortal sins, brother. Mortal. Sins.


Apart when we see their mains and alts in the same POS. It's not hard to find alt farming corps.


Anyway all it means with more people in wormhole space, there's more targets.
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#70 - 2015-02-11 10:30:05 UTC
I think what some people are envisaging is possible logical endpoint of this kind of thing; namely 2/3 500-1000 toon corporations, each owning 100 or so bearing systems and playing proxy wars.
Samantha Elroy
Disturbing Silence
Disturbing Silence.
#71 - 2015-02-11 11:02:57 UTC
Ariete wrote:

Anyway all it means with more people in wormhole space, there's more targets.


That's the point, Sir.
Right now C5/C6 (113systems for C6) Space is way too empty, especially C5 (512systems, afaik only half is inhabited).
So it's hard these days to roll as an C5/C5 Corp/Alliance into one of these Systems (plus, we only cover only 1TZ). We daily spent over 4hrs+ to find someone who luckily have like even numbers, is willed to fight, or bearing.
I totally agree in more peoples who decide for Jspace. Doesn't matter if PvE or PvP.
I'm just here for the good fights and sometimes ganks or creating drama. Also bears 'can' give fights if they see their assets are in trouble.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2015-02-11 11:04:08 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group.
Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense.

Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members.

oh sure, apart from providing an alliance for everyone to PVE in, and protecting them when they do so, and eptying prime systems for them to PVE in, you dont facilitate PVE at all. i get that.

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Zmikund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2015-02-11 12:40:56 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote:
The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them.
That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us...

Last eviction proves otherwise ... HK organized it because their pride got hurt when their gang fleet got destroyed while ganging pve farm fleet ... That doest fit into description of corp seeking good pvp, it's more like kids who want to bully everyone and when someone stands up to him they just beat him with all friends helping ... Classical 5v1 "fair" fight
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2015-02-11 12:51:48 UTC
Zmikund wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote:
The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them.
That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us...

Last eviction proves otherwise ... HK organized it because their pride got hurt when their gang fleet got destroyed while ganging pve farm fleet ... That doest fit into description of corp seeking good pvp, it's more like kids who want to bully everyone and when someone stands up to him they just beat him with all friends helping ... Classical 5v1 "fair" fight
Even if that was the case, why do you ignore all the other instances when someone fights (and often wins) against these bullies and GFs are exchanged and noone gets evicted? I sense some confirmation bias...

btw it wasnt 5v1, nowhere near. If HK (helped by QEX) evicting you (helped by Atztech and others) is 5v1, then what was eviction of SYJ - 584 v 0.3 ?

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CivilWars
Half Empty
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#75 - 2015-02-11 14:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: CivilWars
As if any of this even matters. There are maybe 10 or so PVP-focused entities in all of w-space right now. If HK walked away from every system that is held by an alt corp there would still only be 10 or so PVP-focused entities in all of w-space. The old girl ain't what she used to be, so why not milk it for every penny you can?

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NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2015-02-11 14:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: NoobMan
Jack Miton wrote:
NoobMan wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group.
Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense.

Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members.

oh sure, apart from providing an alliance for everyone to PVE in, and protecting them when they do so, and eptying prime systems for them to PVE in, you dont facilitate PVE at all. i get that.


Jack it is obvious that you are very bitter about all this, but I'll still try to reason with you.

You are making it sound like we are coddling our members and handing them this free wormhole fully set up and all they have to do is be bears. But you say you've done a bear hole before and its nothing new, so you must know all the work it really entails. All of the setting up towers, moving caps and daily maintenance is a lot of work. Most people do not have the time to take on such a project, and run their own hole. Speaking of running their own hole, the reason why all of these alts are in separate corps (besides killboards lol) is they need to be able to have Director level roles to manage their own towers, bookmarks and corp wallets.

Out of the 18 c5 systems HK farms in, none were taken by force using the entirety of HK to evict them. Every hole was either empty or already someone elses bear hole. So the 2-3 HK members moved in and set up their own POS, and maybe shot and killed another tower. Not once have the previous owners of all of our holes put up a fight. (to my knowledge)

Now HK is providing 18 c5s 4 c6s and Rage (our home) as active targets for other wh corps. And everyone does not like it because it is greedy, and I can understand yes it is, and looks very greedy. We as HK leadership have encouraged it not only to stop PVE in rage like we've already talked about, but the real underlying reason we want our members to do it is so they buy up Dread and Triage pilots. They are increasing their pilots and accounts and abilities. They are pumping massive amounts of isk into their own personal wallets so they can buy more pilots and pvp ships.

This allows HK to have more seeding alts and seeding dreads. And if Rage were ever invaded we would call our Bear hole banners and have an extra 60 or so Dread and triage pilots. So this greed is a very strong defensive and offensive strategy.

Now some one else was complaining about how it is unfair that these systems are "protected" by HK. It sounds like you are complaining about PvP... This is Eve, if someone else has something you want you can take it.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#77 - 2015-02-11 15:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: NoobMan
Zmikund wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote:
The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them.
That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us...

Last eviction proves otherwise ... HK organized it because their pride got hurt when their gang fleet got destroyed while ganging pve farm fleet ... That doest fit into description of corp seeking good pvp, it's more like kids who want to bully everyone and when someone stands up to him they just beat him with all friends helping ... Classical 5v1 "fair" fight


The reason we evicted Band of Magnus is: every 6 months or so Hard Knocks likes to do an invasion whether it is a full eviction or an occupation to get a massive T3 fight. As Operations director I feel I owe this experience to our members. People join HK because they want to be in these Massive 200-300Bil blingy T3 and Dread fights.

Our history of targets for these invasions have been groups that do not provide much to the WH community, or we've had bad blood with in the past. Band of Magnus fulfilled both categories and made for a good target, and we got our huge fight thanks to Ixtab.

All this diplomatic, "this is fair and this is unfair" BS that people are whining about; I leave you with this quote
Quote:

EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world -CCP Wrangler

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Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#78 - 2015-02-11 18:14:53 UTC
/thread

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#79 - 2015-02-11 18:17:16 UTC
itt try-hard posting of the same quality as in the sith callout thread

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2015-02-11 18:48:42 UTC
One thing that stands out to me in particular and I'm sure I'm missing something but:

Quote:
We have agreed as leadership that homesites create drama, and lock our home hole down for hours per day which is prime time activity timezones


Surely if you PvE in alts, this will happen at the same time where you would be rolling/roaming. How do you run sites in alts and pvp at the same time?

Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP?

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