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Why don't more women play Eve Online?

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Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
Something Really Pretentious
#441 - 2015-02-10 20:48:54 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
My ex-wife is still suuuper mad at me, even though she's the one who decided to run off and start seeing other people. I was away at the time, in the Army (at flight school, in fact, which the timing of it still confuses me). She's so mad, that every time we talked to take care of official matters (records, legal documents), every other word of hers was an insult or swear word. Not sure what inner dialogue she has going on, to convince herself she's the victim in all this, but I'm sure it's golden.

So. Personally, caring about the gender of people who play my favorite video game really doesn't make sense. I'd like to keep it gender neutral and interact with people within the bounds of the video game mechanics, regardless of gender.

Really. I'd prefer to not know.
Understandable. Personally, I don't care who knows...besides, once you get on coms, it all comes out anyways. Most people who have never been on coms with me either don't know or don't believe it and I don't care. My sex doesn't effect my ability one bit. As far as I'm concerned, we are all just fish in the same pond.
Done some acting in my time. I am pretty good at mimicry. I just have to practise some lines and I can sounds like a woman to many guys. (If I go off script and have to pronounce unpractised words or I get emotional in some way then I start to slip and drop words but I know there are better mimics than me.) I can even look like a woman. Shocked

Then there are voice synthesisers that work directly on modulating your sound driver.

You can also pretend to have a broken mic. The only critical thing about comms is listening to the FC.


Agreed..with the last sentence. The rest, however, I fail to see a point...I'm not sure if you're saying this to make a point, or taking a stab at me..either way, it doesn't matter. In over 2 years of playing, I personally, have only encountered one person attempting to impersonate a female (on coms..there are many others that do but won't go that far). Personally..I don't care and I don't care what others think. I don't care of the person on the other side of the screen is a man or a woman. It just doesn't matter. Big smile

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#442 - 2015-02-10 20:56:49 UTC
OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Jenshae Chiroptera
#443 - 2015-02-10 20:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Jenn aSide wrote:
edit: to be clear, im not speaking for the majrotiy, Im saying that it's stupid to expect people to conform to someone else's norms just because they come in and say "I'm special as I lack Y chromosome".
Now you are blathering on about how EVE must not be changed for a very extreme minority.

My message is still simple:
Kick immature people out of your corp / alliance, advertise that fact and you will have more women in your group.
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
...I'm not sure if you're saying this to make a point, or taking a stab at me..
*Applies a bandaid*
No stab! No stab! Cry

Adding to what you said.
Rain6637 wrote:
OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer.
We are more than willing to help women with changing that as long as we get to brag about how fancy our machines are and how they will never afford them. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
Something Really Pretentious
#444 - 2015-02-10 21:00:27 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer.



LOL..touche...I play on my husbands computer.

I'm am thoroughly ammused by this thread. The e-penis wagging is epic. Lol

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Hrothgar Nilsson
#445 - 2015-02-10 21:12:14 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
My ex-wife is still suuuper mad at me, even though she's the one who decided to run off and start seeing other people. I was away at the time, in the Army (at flight school, in fact, which the timing of it still confuses me). She's so mad, that every time we talked to take care of official matters (records, legal documents), every other word of hers was an insult or swear word. Not sure what inner dialogue she has going on, to convince herself she's the victim in all this, but I'm sure it's golden.

So. Personally, caring about the gender of people who play my favorite video game really doesn't make sense. I'd like to keep it gender neutral and interact with people within the bounds of the video game mechanics, regardless of gender.

Really. I'd prefer to not know.

Well, did she leave you and let you know about it, or did you find her out when she meant to keep it all a secret? I think there can be entirely different rationalizations going on in an ex-partner's mind in the aftermath, depending on whether they'd planned to leave someone, or get away with it and stay wit h that person.

If your quality of life, happiness, and social/economic well-being has improved markedly relative to theirs, that can pretty strong cause of resentment as well.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#446 - 2015-02-10 21:13:49 UTC
If i wanted to know why i know less after reading this amusement park of a thread.

Hope expansion is in the works to be deployed soon GD is becoming stale fast.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#447 - 2015-02-10 21:17:37 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

I have a slightly different take than Jenn to that post.

Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:

Female sensibilities are not more important than male ones. Females are just as likely as males to engage in immature and objectionable behavior - just of differnt types. The ability to get away with pretending one's feelings must be protected because of ehat's in ones pants is one of the privileges of being female.


The right to say something offensive, as much as it is a right, doesn't have anything to do with a "sensibility". A person can say all manners of offensive things they want, but it's hypocritical of them to be surprised when the hammer comes down as negative feedback.

The problem for some of the worst offenders in chat is they believe they have the implicit right to say whatever they want without verbal retaliation.

We may disagree on what's offensive, but to be honest most adults playing EVE are smart enough to figure out what they're saying is insulting to someone or not. I believe you have every right to use that insult, but I also believe that opens the door to anyone else freely insulting you back.

I feel that people shouldn't create that situation by being insulting and offensive. It's a simple enough rule to abide by in 2015.


There are some cases where what is being said is unequivocally insulting and offensive, but in most cases, it isn't. This is where we get ideas like "people insisting on their right to be offensive" from. In most of those cases, the alleged offender really does not see what he or she is saying as offensive. Tbe alleged "victim" does and uses victim status to claim privilege for their viewpoint over the other.

We see this illustrated perfectly when the "victim" retaliates in kind, or simply reveals that they have a double standard. Or the vroup has a double standard, condemning "offensive" behavior when directed at certain people or groups, but condoning, encouraging, or participating in it when directed at others targets where its more acceptable. Women for example can get away with making almost any generalization about men they want, while male treatment of females invites threadnaughts of hand-wringing.

When you assume that people really are smart enough to know whats offensive, you are really just begging the question and assuming some objective, universal standard of offense. When you claim something is offensive, others are well within their rights to ask if that offense is reasonable. If your response is to simply dismiss that concern because they should ready know why you are guilty of trying to assign your own position the status of self-evident truth.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#448 - 2015-02-10 21:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
My ex-wife is still suuuper mad at me, even though she's the one who decided to run off and start seeing other people. I was away at the time, in the Army (at flight school, in fact, which the timing of it still confuses me). She's so mad, that every time we talked to take care of official matters (records, legal documents), every other word of hers was an insult or swear word. Not sure what inner dialogue she has going on, to convince herself she's the victim in all this, but I'm sure it's golden.

So. Personally, caring about the gender of people who play my favorite video game really doesn't make sense. I'd like to keep it gender neutral and interact with people within the bounds of the video game mechanics, regardless of gender.

Really. I'd prefer to not know.

Well, did she leave you and let you know about it, or did you find her out when she meant to keep it all a secret? I think there can be entirely different rationalizations going on in an ex-partner's mind in the aftermath, depending on whether they'd planned to leave someone, or get away with it and stay wit h that person.

If your quality of life, happiness, and social/economic well-being has improved markedly relative to theirs, that can pretty strong cause of resentment as well.

I got a dear john phone call a couple weeks before the first phase of training, which left me with a choice of tending to my career, or my marriage. She was very matter-of-fact about it, and I appreciated that, and took it like an adult. Calm, and at the time I even told her if she changes her mind and thinks we can work it out, to let me know. (staying happy in a military relationship with things like deployments sometimes requires an open mind, and unconventional arrangements, and separating physical from emotional. I realize not many people can relate).

And how I'm doing? Excellent. Better than ever. I'm sure she has more than a little guilt about it, which is unfortunate, because I didn't cause it. I've never given her grief about her decision. I think the simple fact of the matter is it didn't work out with her sancho, so regret, etc. But I'm relieved that everything worked out the way it did, so perhaps neither one of us was ready for that.

Of course we hooked up a few times after that, but nothing ever came of it. Perhaps she expected me to put forth effort to make amends, but if that's the case she really didn't know me as well as she thought.

"If your quality of life, happiness, and social/economic well-being has improved markedly relative to theirs, that can pretty strong cause of resentment as well."

This made my day, thanks for that.

Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer.



LOL..touche...I play on my husbands computer.

I'm am thoroughly ammused by this thread. The e-***** wagging is epic. Lol

you can say epeen here and get away with it.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#449 - 2015-02-10 21:30:47 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer.


Pretty common seeing as many of them have a computer capable of running WoW for example. Do you assume a large part of the girls playing subscription MMO do so only when their BF let them use his computer? Gaming couples definately don't play in shifts since we see them online at the same time.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#450 - 2015-02-10 21:31:05 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
We see this illustrated perfectly when the "victim" retaliates in kind, or simply reveals that they have a double standard. Or the vroup has a double standard, condemning "offensive" behavior when directed at certain people or groups, but condoning, encouraging, or participating in it when directed at others targets where its more acceptable. Women for example can get away with making almost any generalization about men they want, while male treatment of females invites threadnaughts of hand-wringing.

When you assume that people really are smart enough to know whats offensive, you are really just begging the question and assuming some objective, universal standard of offense. When you claim something is offensive, others are well within their rights to ask if that offense is reasonable. If your response is to simply dismiss that concern because they should ready know why you are guilty of trying to assign your own position the status of self-evident truth.


If blindly making offensive remarks is someone's right, then responding in kind and having double standards are rights too. The environment one creates is one they have to endure. Things are about as simple as that. You can work with other people sharing the same space as you, or you can hold your breath and insist on your rights until you're blue in the face.

You have to relinquish some of those rights. That's what collaboration of any kind means. You have to make the effort to understand what could hurt those other people who are your friends or your corpmates and make small adjustments to your behavior. If these friends and corpmates are good people then they will make adjustments too and not insist on trying to control or dictate your behavior.

People don't need to adopt the same standard of what's offensive or not. They simply need to find ways to accept that things that are OK for them may be offensive to someone else, and maybe there isn't a pressing need to expressive something potentially offensive simply because you have an urge to do so. This is the basic tenet of any community.

And careful. You sound dangerously close to being a victim yourself.

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Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#451 - 2015-02-10 21:34:04 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
What's the problem, EVE is already full of bitches


This comment survived the ISD purge but mine was deleted?

Hmm... the answer to the OP's question becomes that much more apparent.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#452 - 2015-02-10 21:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Lena Lazair wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
What's the problem, EVE is already full of bitches


This comment survived the ISD purge but mine was deleted?

Hmm... the answer to the OP's question becomes that much more apparent.

I KNOW!!!!! LOL shhh

Frostys Virpio wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer.


Pretty common seeing as many of them have a computer capable of running WoW for example. Do you assume a large part of the girls playing subscription MMO do so only when their BF let them use his computer? Gaming couples definately don't play in shifts since we see them online at the same time.

That comment was a joke, btw. Pretty heavy in stereotype.

Nexus Day wrote:
Tons of women play EvE. They all have large bosoms and skinny waists and tend to wear sunglasses.

Tons of women play EVE. Unfortunately it's not very many. <-Stolen from an Engineering joke.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#453 - 2015-02-10 21:47:20 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:

Tons of women play EVE. Unfortunately it's not very many.


That's quite the large assumption.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#454 - 2015-02-10 21:52:22 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Tons of women play EVE. Unfortunately it's not very many.

Not very many tons?
Maybe we need some emancipation in gaming world.
Also who is EvE Executive Producer?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#455 - 2015-02-10 22:01:11 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Tons of women play EVE. Unfortunately it's not very many.

Not very many tons?
Maybe we need some emancipation in gaming world.
Also who is EvE Executive Producer?

A woman with a buzzcut named Andie. Also a larper. Doesn't get more demographically perfect than that.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#456 - 2015-02-10 22:12:35 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
A woman with a buzzcut named Andie. Also a larper. Doesn't get more demographically perfect than that.

It was rhetorical . Larper? Good old times. My gf likes to play Diablo 3, but has zero interest in EvE. All she want to do is to create characters on my free third slot. On the other hand there's only one computer...

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#457 - 2015-02-10 22:13:55 UTC
Marsha Mallow
#458 - 2015-02-10 22:29:53 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer.

Just saw this, seems appropriate.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#459 - 2015-02-10 22:35:17 UTC
Memphis Baas
#460 - 2015-02-10 22:49:05 UTC
Walk into Best Buy, Wal Mart, Office Max, or any other store that has an Electronics department, and there's a slew of sales reps (male and female) who are more than happy to recommend a computer or laptop that can play games to anyone (male or female). EVE doesn't have particularly stringent hardware requirements. Tech support is offered everywhere, too.