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The end of code?

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#301 - 2015-03-13 18:16:25 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
TENGU!!!!


John!!!!!!!!!!!

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Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#302 - 2015-03-13 19:27:40 UTC
Teamspeak or mail?

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#303 - 2015-03-13 19:31:51 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Teamspeak or mail?


mail. I'm using a crap laptop at work as my power cord died.

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Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2015-03-14 10:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerhard Stringfellow
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


Veers...you are the only one in denial thinking that somehow the code is dying. You wouldn't know anything about eve if it sat on your face and started to wiggle. You have a truly skewed vision of what is really going on...not to mention your own self worth. So troll on...since it's the only thing that gives you any remote sense of validity. Also...you better pray, or whatever you do, that someday code doesn't die...because then you will return to obscurity and mean absolutely nothing again...since it is code that gave you your sense of purpose to begin with. Remember..there can't be one without the other..what will you whine about if code were to be gone? Oh noes!!! ...but I'm sure you'll find something to feed your undeserved sense of importance and worth. Twisted


Check killboard activity...fallen off a cliff. We live in a world of objective evidence, not bald faced assertion.


Jesus Veers, give it a rest. You're either unhealthily passionate about this or the best publicity alt CODE ever made. I think CODE is a joke as well, but they aren't really relevant anymore don't deserve this level of vitriol. You seem to be trying to make them relevant by posting about them 24/7, if anything. As far as I'm concerned, if they're operating within game mechanics it doesn't need CCP's intervention. There are no shortage of hazards in EvE, just treat them accordingly the same way you do everything else.

Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear

Jevatoxa
Amandla Legion
#305 - 2015-03-14 17:22:23 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
To the rest of CODE., MiniLuv, and C&P: Keep on ganking. You keep EvE interesting. Blink

Agree totally with this. We've often been on opposite sides of the field, but I have a huge respect for these guys for creating the content they do and helping keep Eve's unique place among other MMOs.

Long may it continue.
Iain Cariaba
#306 - 2015-03-14 18:14:30 UTC
Roll

I stop reading C&P for three months and what do I find when I return? Same old Veers trying to take Gevlin's crown for "King of the Clueless."

I guess some things never change. Back to ignoring C&P again.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#307 - 2015-03-14 19:35:28 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Roll

I stop reading C&P for three months and what do I find when I return? Same old Veers trying to take Gevlin's crown for "King of the Clueless."

I guess some things never change. Back to ignoring C&P again.


Hehehe...trying you say. Idk, he's definitely a contender. Twisted

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#308 - 2015-03-15 01:56:25 UTC
Gerhard Stringfellow wrote:


Jesus Veers, give it a rest. You're either unhealthily passionate about this or the best publicity alt CODE ever made. I think CODE is a joke as well, but they aren't really relevant anymore don't deserve this level of vitriol. You seem to be trying to make them relevant by posting about them 24/7, if anything. As far as I'm concerned, if they're operating within game mechanics it doesn't need CCP's intervention. There are no shortage of hazards in EvE, just treat them accordingly the same way you do everything else.


And another big winner in the missing the point competition. No one is "obsessed" with Code. What we do appreciate is the effectiveness of code as an instructive heuristic. Approximately 6 months ago I engaged with the griefers, and warned them that their bad conduct, and failure to obey the dictates of their own code, would lead to their demise. At the time I was roundly mocked for my brave prediction, as, much like those who foresaw the collapse of the soviet union at the apex of its power, I was simply too sophisticated for my detractors to ably measure. Now mind you, I foretold this exact eventually when code was running daily freighter ganking fleets, uedama was on fire, and there seemed to be no hope for highsec PvE play. Much like those who shorted enron, or properly saw pearl harbor as the beginning of the end, my vision was clear, and judgment unclouded.

What I explained to loyalanon, and to to other code leadership members, is that people play eve to build, not to destroy. They want to work with others and accomplish common goals to benefit all eve players, not to grief and humiliate the weakest and most pathetic, and drive them to quit the game. Highsec is about teamwork, loyalty, compassion, mutual benefit, and neverending nash equilibriums. That's why I explained to code that they needed more carrot and less stick, more bumping and less ganking, more dialogue, more integrity, and a cast iron commitment to always following their own code. They refused to listen, they mocked me, they launched a hilariously failed incursion ganking contest, and slowly they faded into the dustbin of history.

At this point, as you can see from John's post, code is reduced to little more than a chummy country club group, as they sit around, sip martinis, and reminisce over their former glory days; they are truly relics of a bygone era with no hope of ever returning to their former strength.

So to john, to miss foxie, and to the few diehards that remain, I beseech you, admit defeat, disband, unconditionally surrender to those who have outlasted you, and join us in collaborative PvE play in highsec.
Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#309 - 2015-03-15 09:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerhard Stringfellow
Veers

Wall of text #1581491

"people play eve to build, not to destroy"


Some people play to be industrialists, some to have big blobs of mess, some to own space, and others to grief. People play EvE for all sorts of reasons, and even the most docile carebear will eventually want to rough things up once he has the skills and isk to do so. Claim you beat CODE, claim you run hi-sec, claim you're a prophet, but you don't speak for hi-sec or anyone but yourself; we're not all a bunch of defenseless grass eating whiners.

If anything beat CODE, it was the fact that aside from harassing miners in heavily populated areas, hi-sec is just too damn big for them to police and the presence of concord makes it even more difficult, but it's mostly size of the space and the lack of available people enforcing "the code". Granted, I think CODE is just as silly as you do, but don't get the idea that whining ever killed anything but sex appeal.

tl;dr You don't represent hi-sec and are living breathing avatar of every negative stereotype that exists about hi-sec so stop pretending to be our mouthpiece. The constant complaining makes us look weak.

Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear

Iain Cariaba
#310 - 2015-03-15 17:08:56 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Roll

I stop reading C&P for three months and what do I find when I return? Same old Veers trying to take Gevlin's crown for "King of the Clueless."

I guess some things never change. Back to ignoring C&P again.


Hehehe...trying you say. Idk, he's definitely a contender. Twisted

Nope, he's missing the poor interpretation of vast quantities of meaningless graphs to go along with his "I'm singlehandedly responsible for the fall of [group], even though I've been too risk averse to undock if there was even a miniscule chance someone might look at me funny."

He needs more graphs showing how the rise in number of Drifter kills in Omist proves that he personally talked loyalanon into quitting.
Jevatoxa
Amandla Legion
#311 - 2015-03-15 19:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jevatoxa
Veers Belvar wrote:
Approximately 6 months ago I engaged with the griefers, and warned them that their bad conduct, and failure to obey the dictates of their own code, would lead to their demise. At the time I was roundly mocked for my brave prediction, as, much like those who foresaw the collapse of the soviet union at the apex of its power, I was simply too sophisticated for my detractors to ably measure.


The narcissism is strong in this one.

I shall pray to you tonight.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#312 - 2015-03-15 19:32:14 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is "obsessed" with Code.


I dunno, 600+ posts regarding CODE sounds pretty obsessed.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#313 - 2015-03-15 19:58:02 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is "obsessed" with Code.


I dunno, 600+ posts regarding CODE sounds pretty obsessed.


Lol....finding a useful teaching tool about why highsec ganking will never cause solitary PvE players to become more involved in the social fabric of the game is not "obsession." It's called drawing appropriate lessons from past historical events, a specialty of mine.

Notice how the whole "changing the risk/reward balance in highsec" rhetoric has fallen away. It turns out that ganking may be good for giggles and tears, but it is not good in exposing miners to other types of gameplay. All it does is give miners an enemy to despise, and an inflated sense of self importance ("oh look, the entire might of goons is deployed to try and suppress highsec mining. We must be really important for them to bother"). If anything, it causes miners to get angry, and respond by mining even more to show the gankers that they can't win.

As I told the code folks some months ago, the only way to get miners more involved in the game is through discussion, education, friendly advice, benevolent guidance, and perhaps the occasional bump. Those methods work, blowing them up in some absurd attempt to change their gameplay style does not.

If I post a lot about code it's only because of how instructive it is when hundreds of supposedly intelligent people engage in a course of action that even the village fool easily understands has no prospects of success. We don't ask for brilliance, we do ask for some basic good judgment.
karma balancer
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#314 - 2015-03-16 09:36:56 UTC
Too much crap did not read

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Aoife Fraoch
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2015-03-16 10:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is "obsessed" with Code.


I dunno, 600+ posts regarding CODE sounds pretty obsessed.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.I don't think I have ever seen you not post about code. They more or less own you.
I am providence
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#316 - 2015-03-16 11:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Aoife Fraoch wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No one is "obsessed" with Code.


I dunno, 600+ posts regarding CODE sounds pretty obsessed.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. I don't think I have ever seen you not post about code. They more or less own you.


Psst... dont tell him the obvious Roll

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Tetrachlorodi benzodioxin
Doomheim
#317 - 2015-03-16 13:38:52 UTC
Damn.

I had a secret crush on loyalanon ever since hearing his authoritative, manly voice on on the Veers Tears recordings, but never had the courage to join TCE and express my devotion. And now I never will.

*sigh*
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#318 - 2015-03-16 16:57:55 UTC
Tetrachlorodi benzodioxin wrote:
Damn.

I had a secret crush on loyalanon ever since hearing his authoritative, manly voice on on the Veers Tears recordings, but never had the courage to join TCE and express my devotion. And now I never will.

*sigh*


Do not lose faith. TCE is still a great corporation run by great people. Have faith and join TCE, you will not be disappointed.

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Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.