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Dual box Mach with ???
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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#1 - 2015-02-08 16:38:55 UTC
I just got the skills for a 800 AC Mach and I'm trying to figure out the best/fastest way to use it for L4 missions. I've been running a sentry domi + RR domi dual box setup.

1) I've been trying to maneuver the Mach around to isolate the individual spawns but the slow turning of the Mach makes it seem inefficient. Is it better to dive in and fly straight lines, or maintain range outside the fray and whittle down the crosses?

2) Is there a good ship for dual boxing with the Mach? It seems like it would take a ship that can keep up with the Mach while requiring minimal attention. Currently my RR toon only has drones for a weapon platform, but he does have good boosting capability.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-02-08 16:49:07 UTC
maby Run links and move faster, tank easier and therefore fit more gank?

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To mare
Advanced Technology
#3 - 2015-02-08 23:54:14 UTC
i would bring some kind of (heavy/geko) drone boat, assist drone to the mach so you just have to take care about 1 account and send the second ship towards the next acceleration thing (if any) while the mach kill and tank stuff.
The eos would be good imho so you can use your boosting skill, fit it with max gank and minimal tank just in case some rats decide to go for it.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-02-09 00:14:56 UTC
Gila or ishtar.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2015-02-09 00:57:20 UTC
an ishtar will keep up with the mach, or you could warp speed rig a domi. When flying a mach I don't think I'd really bother with anything other than sentry assist. ACs cycle way too fast, and artys, even though they have long individual cycle times, 7x arty can quickly get out of sync, there is almost always one that needs activating.

a mach fits enough gank I dunno that links help all that much. I have a perfect CS/T3 link alt, and I cba to even move him into system with me for missions.

also its a mach, I tend to dive in. with falloff range means you are losing damage. I tend to keep some range, as at point blank even ACs can miss, plus going to point blank usually means I'm a few more KM out of the way. For some missions keeping some range and picking off ships does make sense, as they might have a lot of damage up close, or annoying e-war.

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GordonO
BURN EDEN
#6 - 2015-02-09 02:34:35 UTC
A drone bout with drones assigned is easiest.. a t3 rounds of a BS team perfectly also.. tengu better as you can just orbit the bs.
When using the mach.. move at an angle toward or away from the target and blow it up.. orbiting close in a 100mn mach isn't easy

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#7 - 2015-02-09 05:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiloh Templeton
I can get into an Eos in about 3 weeks so I might give that a try. Warfare links for shield resists, booster speed and sig reduction seem useful. I'd probably max the tank in case I get distracted. I could use salvaging drones if drone dps isn't needed in the pocket.


I changed the 100 AB for a 100 MWD on the Mach and the handling is feeling a lot better.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-02-09 05:41:55 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
I can get into an Eos in about 3 weeks so I might give that a try. Warfare links for shield resists, booster speed and sig reduction seem useful. I'd probably max the tank in case I get distracted. I could use salvaging drones if drone dps isn't needed in the pocket.


I changed the 100 AB for a 100 MWD on the Mach and the handling is feeling a lot better.


I used to run a gist x-type 100mn AB on mine when I first got it. now I just use a meta tech 1 MWD. the MWD is by far the better choice IMO.

although as said above a t3 could be an interesting choice, I'd be very tempted to use a tengu with auto-targeting missiles. requires very little attention and kills the closest rats (often frigates). would let you put the mach dps on better targets.

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GordonO
BURN EDEN
#9 - 2015-02-09 18:21:21 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
I can get into an Eos in about 3 weeks so I might give that a try. Warfare links for shield resists, booster speed and sig reduction seem useful. I'd probably max the tank in case I get distracted. I could use salvaging drones if drone dps isn't needed in the pocket.


I changed the 100 AB for a 100 MWD on the Mach and the handling is feeling a lot better.


I used to run a gist x-type 100mn AB on mine when I first got it. now I just use a meta tech 1 MWD. the MWD is by far the better choice IMO.

although as said above a t3 could be an interesting choice, I'd be very tempted to use a tengu with auto-targeting missiles. requires very little attention and kills the closest rats (often frigates). would let you put the mach dps on better targets.


I prefer running with a 100mn ab.. its cap stable and you very seldom need to boost your shields as you keep moving to mitigate damage.. but each to his/her own :).
Go play on the test server.. ships and fits are cheap so easy to try different things

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Boozbaz
Securitech Industries
#10 - 2015-02-15 00:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Boozbaz
I agree with the other suggestions on links. Increases it's resistances because tanking with the Mach is it's sore spot. The best way to run missions (in my experience) with the mach is to kill the enemies as fast as you can before you take too much damage. You can pop frigates in one volley at long range with 800 AC's, which will cut down the EWAR and allow you to focus down the cruisers and battleships unhindered.

In terms of piloting/maneuvering, I start off about 40-50km away from the frigates and start popping them as they come towards me. I then burn directly towards the bigger ships and bump directly into whichever one I'm targeting. Angular velocity is practically zero in this case and you wind up getting maximum damage, plus it also causes tracking issues for the nearby battleships when you fly in very close to them at a high speed like that.
Boozbaz
Securitech Industries
#11 - 2015-02-15 00:15:05 UTC
double post -_-
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2015-02-15 02:21:26 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
I can get into an Eos in about 3 weeks so I might give that a try. Warfare links for shield resists, booster speed and sig reduction seem useful. I'd probably max the tank in case I get distracted.

wut?

you dont have to have it on grid dude, once its in system and in the correct position in fleet the boosts will carry

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#13 - 2015-02-15 03:34:51 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
you dont have to have it on grid dude, once its in system and in the correct position in fleet the boosts will carry

Yes, I've tried that with a T3 doing off grid boosting and it feels kind of meh. I'd like to experiment with a 3 link OGB command ship that can contribute some DPS to speed up the missions. I figure the EOS can use Sentries for sniping long range or handle webbing frigates that lock up the mach. It could also put out salvaging drones.

I've seen an arty Mach recommended for a dual box, but I'm planning to train my support toon towards Logistics after he's got command ships.


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Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-02-15 05:01:59 UTC
I don't do missions anymore. But I do fly a Mach (ac's, mwd, and shield) for my anoms and warp my industrial toon in at 50km with a sentry Ishtar. I simply assist them to my Mach and it does a nice job.

I think having a second toon running links on an Eos with sentries assisted is a good idea. Links, solid extra dps, doesn't need much management (barely any once setup). Sounds solid enough to me.

As for the piloting of the Mach. I just set target to approach guns ablazing. The rats don't last long in the face of 2k+ dps.