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Lugh Crow-Slave
#41 - 2015-02-07 16:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Elenahina wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Remind me, what link skills do I need to fly a command ship?

Seriously, other than warfare link specialist 4, which does not unlock any links at all, what link skills do I need to fly my command ships?

My link skills are at 2, yet I can fly every CS going. Is this some kind of bug? Roll


If you could fly them before they changed the skill, you can still fly them. It doesn't check the link skills when you board the ship, only when you try and inject the Command Ship skill.


no the still do not require any link skills at all just leadership ones to V you can fly a command ship with out even so much as injecting the spec skills for the individual links

did you even try to look up the pre-recs Elenahina?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#42 - 2015-02-07 16:21:50 UTC
They are just all delusional and think the leadership skills are the link skills. They are bleating about the skill pre-reqs without even reading what the skills actually do.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#43 - 2015-02-07 17:32:39 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
They are just all delusional and think the leadership skills are the link skills. They are bleating about the skill pre-reqs without even reading what the skills actually do.


CS are supposedly both superwell tanked battlecruisers as well as possible linkships. Now, those prereqs indicate that you must be this good at providing gangbuffs to even pilot one. That's nonsense. It's like demanding prop jamming V for ceptors because they are scram-bonused. Or demanding astrometric rangefinding V to fly T3 destroyers because they got a bonus to probe-launcher-fitting and really benefit from this one to combat probes ceptors.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#44 - 2015-02-07 17:43:47 UTC
Or possibly it's like demanding a skill related to the PRIMARY role of the ship.
Just like Capitals require Jump Drives but WH residents never use them. Not every use of a ship will require all of it's pre-requisites, but the requirements are based on the ships primary role.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#45 - 2015-02-07 18:43:59 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Or possibly it's like demanding a skill related to the PRIMARY role of the ship.
Just like Capitals require Jump Drives but WH residents never use them. Not every use of a ship will require all of it's pre-requisites, but the requirements are based on the ships primary role.


how about grav physics for dictors and HICs if you want a really good example.



Command ships are there for gang links they are supper tanky so they can survive being a prim target and keep the buffs running.(it's just we learned fast that they don't need to be on grid something CCP is working on)

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2015-02-07 19:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: afkalt
I'd settle for the command ship skill to have the attributes of the prerequisite LD skills. Mapping into Cha to then skill a x8 at a wildly off map is more than a little annoying.

That said, I injected it in my toons before the change so.....
Jenshae Chiroptera
#47 - 2015-02-07 19:35:24 UTC
Knocking a week and a half of training off the command ship based on shield or armour doesn't sound bad to me.

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#48 - 2015-02-07 19:52:41 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
CS are supposedly both superwell tanked battlecruisers as well as possible linkships. Now, those prereqs indicate that you must be this good at providing gangbuffs to even pilot one. That's nonsense. It's like demanding prop jamming V for ceptors because they are scram-bonused. Or demanding astrometric rangefinding V to fly T3 destroyers because they got a bonus to probe-launcher-fitting and really benefit from this one to combat probes ceptors.

What do you not understand when people tell you "You cannot use links when you have trained the prerequs for CS"? The only thing you provide to your fleet with the trained prerequisites is the skill boost nothing else, and therefore it is not like "demanding Prop Jamming V for ceptors" because Prop Jamming is for the modules. A more appropriate comparison would have been "It's like demanding Spaceship Command V for ceptors because they need the agility".

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Blackrise Vanguard
#49 - 2015-02-07 21:06:49 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Why can't there be weak command ships with weak links?

"Light" Command Ships


Have been a big fan of possible smaller level command ships if they ever chose to make links on grid. Largely thinking of them as very tanky, low DPS support ships with the small possibility of E-War support.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#50 - 2015-02-07 21:09:39 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Why can't there be weak command ships with weak links?

"Light" Command Ships


Have been a big fan of possible smaller level command ships if they ever chose to make links on grid. Largely thinking of them as very tanky, low DPS support ships with the small possibility of E-War support.


i would say no to the E-war support as it may take away from the role of recons (also bonused e-war should stay on moderately soft ships)

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2015-02-07 21:46:04 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Remind me, what link skills do I need to fly a command ship?

Seriously, other than warfare link specialist 4, which does not unlock any links at all, what link skills do I need to fly my command ships?

My link skills are at 2, yet I can fly every CS going. Is this some kind of bug? Roll


If you could fly them before they changed the skill, you can still fly them. It doesn't check the link skills when you board the ship, only when you try and inject the Command Ship skill.



I'm looking at the command ship skill in evemon right now, and at the link to a damnation someone just posted, and I don't see a single link skill as a requirement though. Can you be more specific? If there are meant to be four of these link skills needed to level 5, wouldn't it be obvious in some way?

or do you mean those leadership skills that have nothing to do with links whatsoever and in fact give bonuses to everyone under your command regardless of what you're in?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#52 - 2015-02-07 22:20:47 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:

Have been a big fan of possible smaller level command ships if they ever chose to make links on grid. Largely thinking of them as very tanky, low DPS support ships with the small possibility of E-War support.

I hear T3's can fit for Tank Ewar and links... and if you warp & agility rig them they can keep up with frigates.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#53 - 2015-02-07 22:22:38 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:

Have been a big fan of possible smaller level command ships if they ever chose to make links on grid. Largely thinking of them as very tanky, low DPS support ships with the small possibility of E-War support.

I hear T3's can fit for Tank Ewar and links... and if you warp & agility rig them they can keep up with frigates.


but those take almost two months to train and i wanna fly it nowRoll

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Caligula Gaius Claudian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2015-02-07 23:51:45 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Remind me, what link skills do I need to fly a command ship?

Seriously, other than warfare link specialist 4, which does not unlock any links at all, what link skills do I need to fly my command ships?

My link skills are at 2, yet I can fly every CS going. Is this some kind of bug? Roll


If you could fly them before they changed the skill, you can still fly them. It doesn't check the link skills when you board the ship, only when you try and inject the Command Ship skill.



I'm looking at the command ship skill in evemon right now, and at the link to a damnation someone just posted, and I don't see a single link skill as a requirement though. Can you be more specific? If there are meant to be four of these link skills needed to level 5, wouldn't it be obvious in some way?

or do you mean those leadership skills that have nothing to do with links whatsoever and in fact give bonuses to everyone under your command regardless of what you're in?


To fly command ship you need a Command Ship skill lvl 1, to get this skill you need to train all those links specialisations.

Very simple.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2015-02-07 23:56:45 UTC
Caligula Gaius Claudian wrote:


To fly command ship you need a Command Ship skill lvl 1, to get this skill you need to train all those links specialisations.

Very simple.



I am looking at the command ships skill in game right this second.

You do not need 'all those link specialisations' to use it.

Armoured/information/skirmish/siege warfare are not link skills.

Warfare link specialist IV is a link skill, but it's a 6 day train, which is nothing for a T2 ship.

Spaceship command is not a link skill either.

So...where are all these link skills? Because even with all of those skills I just listed at V, I would not be able to fit even a T1 link.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#56 - 2015-02-07 23:58:05 UTC
Caligula Gaius Claudian wrote:


To fly command ship you need a Command Ship skill lvl 1, to get this skill you need to train all those links specialisations.

Very simple.


way to post with out so much as putting in the effort to look at the skillbook

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-02-08 00:05:20 UTC
I agree with the original sentiment of, "Why in God's name are there so many skills up front?". I think at MOST the only link skills that should require lvl 5 are the ones the command ship gives bonuses to. Not all four.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2015-02-08 00:07:32 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I agree with the original sentiment of, "Why in God's name are there so many skills up front?". I think at MOST the only link skills that should require lvl 5 are the ones the command ship gives bonuses to. Not all four.



But you do not need link skills to fly a command ship.

Will you idiots actually LOOK at the damn skill first?
Caligula Gaius Claudian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2015-02-08 00:21:18 UTC
ok for example if i want to fly an absolution, what skills are required to be able do this?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2015-02-08 00:25:21 UTC
Caligula Gaius Claudian wrote:
ok for example if i want to fly an absolution, what skills are required to be able do this?




Command ships, which requires skirmish/siege/information/armoured warfare skills, which have nothing to do with links. It also needs warfare link specialist 4, which is a 6 day train and simply adds 10%/level to the strength of links.

And spaceship command V of course.

You can train everything I just listed to V and still not be able to fit even a single t1 link.

I posted all this four posts before yours.