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Add skill queue management functionality to Eve Gate website
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Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#1 - 2011-12-01 05:09:11 UTC
As I said here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=443797#post443797

What's necessary is players to be able to change skills in the queue with this Eve Gate website. That could be made to work on any computer or phone capable to render a web page.

So, no more lost time if you forgot about your Eve character, and you don't have access to a computer with Eve client or internet is too expensive like in roaming etc.
Ninevite
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-01 05:21:44 UTC
this idea makes too much sense, so no.
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#3 - 2011-12-01 10:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rina Asanari
I remember having a discussion with the teacher in the driving school back then, like, "letting the car slow down on its own vs. actively braking". He opted for the latter and put up the question "why?". Answer is, "the braking lights light up", alerting those drivers behind you.

The relevance to this thread? You see the primary effect, like being able to edit your skill tree or doing market (which would be inevitably proposed as soon as the proverbial door has been opened) or whatever.

Yet there are secondary effects (the braking lights mentioned). Log in time, visibility, presence. Most of the time, even if someone 'just puts up the next skill', he says "hi" to the corp channel. A war target or red may spot that person in local and note down the system where he's in as being frequented. Extend this list as you wish.

I'm not a fan of this "meta-gaming", either you're here or you aren't.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#4 - 2011-12-01 11:01:25 UTC
Ninevite wrote:
this idea makes too much sense, so no.
Indeed, but as they can't even get a forum to work right (ganked anyone?), can't see how this would ever work.

Can you imagine the petitions when skills didn't change/start. Lol <-that's an animated laugh, just for effect. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Venus Rinah
Arcanum Industry
#5 - 2011-12-01 11:18:50 UTC
I can see the benefits to remote internet skill updating, for travellers and people on extended trips etc.

Again I don't like the afk behaviour promoting aspects of it.

I don't thnk there would be any serious security related issues other than the normal being wary of using other people's computers not knowing the full security measures they might use. Also If its restricted to skill updates, I don't think there's any possibility of hackers being able to benefit from a remote to client update process as i would think the data is easily validated server side. Unsure how it relates to EULA agreements and other legal concerns however or as a result of the benefits, what CCP would add in terms of costs for having to support extra software.
Averyia
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-01 17:06:25 UTC
Its long overdue. CCP said they were going to expand Eve gate so that you could a lot of things that didn't involve you actually getting in a ship anf flying around. But updates have been few and far in between. The only noticable update to Evegate were the new forums.

All warfare is based on deception and logistics. Battles and soldiers are secondary priorities.
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#7 - 2011-12-02 07:55:44 UTC
Venus Rinah wrote:
I don't thnk there would be any serious security related issues other than the normal being wary of using other people's computers not knowing the full security measures they might use. Also If its restricted to skill updates, I don't think there's any possibility of hackers being able to benefit from a remote to client update process as i would think the data is easily validated server side.


Let me give you a possible example:

Someone's account got hacked/phished/whatever.

Now the attacker builds a script which sets up a totally bogus skill for training.... every minute or so. Or make it randomly switch skills to be trained.

I think something like that would put a large crimp in the plans of an aspiring freighter pilot and perhaps his corp which counted on that pilot being able to fly a freighter in a given amount of time.

And that's just skill training.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#8 - 2011-12-02 07:59:36 UTC
Security will be needed for the God's sake, just because your Eve Gate username and pass are the same to secure.eveonline.com and game client itself.

So if you're somewhere at a computer you aren't sure is clean of malware, use of Eve website is very bad idea.
Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-02 13:51:43 UTC
Ninevite wrote:
this idea makes too much sense, so no.

I was just about to say that!!!

All joking aside, though, it would actually make EVE-Gate useful for other than checking EVE-Mail out-of-game, but the techincalities involved would probably make it too hard to be bothered with...
Manfred Macx
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-05 14:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Manfred Macx
I've said this before, but nobody seems to agree with me. Actually, I want CCP to go a step further and allow all actions that doesn't require flying a ship, to be done via an HTTP based API. If you are afraid of the bots, there has to be ways to require some kind of human interaction for some API calls. While you're at it: make the chat available as well. IRC would probably do nicely.

Making skill queue management available via an API is the prefect first step.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-05 16:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
Rina Asanari wrote:
The relevance to this thread? You see the primary effect, like being able to edit your skill tree or doing market (which would be inevitably proposed as soon as the proverbial door has been opened) or whatever.

Oh look, a slippery slope argument. I'm sure this will be a productive and worthwhile discussion.

Rina Asanari wrote:
Someone's account got hacked/phished/whatever.

Now the attacker builds a script which sets up a totally bogus skill for training.... every minute or so. Or make it randomly switch skills to be trained.


I'd be more concerned about the hacker changing my password than setting up a script to mess with my skill queue. Clearly having the ability to change your account password on the website is a security hole and should be removed for everyone's safety.
McOboe
Viscosity
#12 - 2012-01-06 01:13:58 UTC
I'm all for it. I moved back in the summer, just after the patch went live that made my laptop unable to handle the game. My desktop was supposed to arrive in one month, but finally arrived after three months. Even with a 30-day skill queued, I still lost two months. My QQ aside, if you are worried about meta-gaming, just limit the amount of times per month it can be done. Heck, just make it a once every 14 days deal. Folks on extended trips or deployed military members would be able to update their skill queue while they are away.
el alasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-06 06:21:44 UTC
+1. what else.

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Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-06 09:00:11 UTC
+1 or GTFO.

Some people have lives and can't get access to a computer that have EVE installed on it. It'd be nice to be able to fix my skill queue from my phone or any computer with internet from a browser.