EVE General Discussion

CSM is the Illuminate!

I think this kind of situation should be monitor closely by CCP. If EVE policy is base on everyplayers is equal. When some players got important informations before another players it gave them more advantage . question is

- How do we know that players who got this information don't use this information to make them more advantage ?

- what is the protocal that should prevents this situations to happens ?

- When this situation happens , when another players or corps had got effect from this. What actions that CCP would do to make justice for everyplayers.

As a real life this situaton is look like "insiders trades" in stock market .When high rank peoples got important information before ordinary stock holders . They know what will happens in the next weeks or tomorrow so they took actions before another people. It is very hard to find evedence for take actions or punish anyone whi violate the rules.

But finally as a real life too. Nothing will happen people who got advantage still exists nothing gonna change. CCP will do nothing and this topic will be lock.

"truth is never die but people who said that could die" Sad but true.

I think it's sad that this would be the position and we don't give people credit for being adults and respect that they all do the right thing by default.

Unless clear evidence is put forward showing some abuse, then good luck to the CSM members.

If you are so concerned about the integrity of the members, what did you do during their candidacy to be sure that you would be happy with them as CSM members if elected?

Just another case of not doing anything yourself to know who you might be voting for and then questioning the system after the event.

Take some responsibility for your own inaction if you want to go slinging mud.

If you think that this is violation, then do it yourself.
Like stated before , this is not about CSM, but about making a DEV blog about incoming SOV and Nullsec changes so every player could prepare to it , in the same way like groups having CSM representatives do.

CSM wasn't created to give the playerbase input. It was created to back the playerbase down. CSM is a crumb tossed to us to bail the powers that be out of WiSgate, and at this point I think we fell for it, too. (Sorry to say.) No corporation is going to give the unwashed minions the keys to the kingdom. At this day and age does that really have to be said? Apparently, yes.

It's a requirement to be able to make a trip to Iceland to be CSM, no? Once in Iceland, they are "wined and dined" so to speak. They're given the VIP treatment. They get to sit down with the bigshots and "tell them what's what." You can't believe anything pertinent to you is being discussed. Or, can you?

The anonymous nature of a "place" as huge as New Eden (we like to say) makes it possible for a handful of people from the largest organizations to pretty much place themselves on the CSM with no opposition. They represent their organization, not you. They even say so. "If we are good enough to get elected, and you aren't, why should we represent you?" This is just window dressing to keep up a pretense that "we" are being represented - that the mighty corporation (CCP) still listens to the little guy.

I have continually SCREAMED, "Don't fall for it." I've continually said, "Disband the CSM." I know they're not going to do that. I know the "big organizations", like the kitten wears the mittens, will always send someone up there, so if they just get ONE vote, but we boycott the vote, they'll get in anyway, and CCP will continue to say in its media, "Look! You're represented!"

As long as WE take them seriously, and act like they mean something, they get their press - their little public affairs act works. If WE (the playerbase) IGNORE them and stop giving them the bandwidth, they may exist, but they take the form of an elaborate ad, which is what they amount to, and just another public relations expense for CCP (which, by the way, may even be tax deductable.)

Bottom line? CSM works for CCP, not us. Don't expect anything from them and you won't be disappointed by them.

This thread is going in the wrong direction.
Make a topic why CSM is bad.
Here is only to point to CCP, that information about incoming sov changes is already used to make preparations.

Unless CCP think otherwise , all players deserve the same start in the new eve world - without it, they will be even more behind big players.

Based on recent big blocks moves i think lower tier moon minerals or PI will have more use, or they will be harder to obtain, but this might be only coincidence.

You mean like that time they got caught in bed with their null friends and decided to move from blatantly cheating to cheating via the CSM under the flag of democracy? Because that actually happened so we know CCP thinks otherwise. This is EvE though, CCP have been pretty big dicks to the community since 2003 and it's not going to stop now. Let them give null the advantage.....after all, that's where their income IRL is coming from.

Yes, that is possible.

Like they will tell us even if true.

Nulli CSM member states that :
"i know changes , i cannot tell you , we have to continue adjusting and continue changing i think we can do it , i think we laid good ground work , i have good idea what do we need to become and i think we are in good position to do so "

Sorry but this sentence simply points that work in the direction of upcoming changes has already started without telling every one what those changes will be.

If i would know that in next month , people will have ability to make cheap fuel from garbage, i would buy all landfills that i can afford , without telling any one.


Did you cared to listen this recording from around 3:24s ?