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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
#21 - 2015-02-04 17:48:56 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
If I remember correctly, he was not happy, and many seem to agree there, that ECM is the only Ewar where there's no countermeasure


Is this the same CCP that just allowed hyperdunking? What?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#22 - 2015-02-04 19:00:44 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
As far as I remember, CCP Fozzie hinted during last Fanfest they want to scrap the current ECM mechanics altogether and replace it with something else. If I remember correctly, he was not happy, and many seem to agree there, that ECM is the only Ewar where there's no countermeasure; if you are jammed, you cannot do anything to counter act this (save for drones), whereas other Ewar has things you can do to counter it (Damps, get closer, use Sebo/Sigamp; TP, move faster/out of range; TD, use TC/TE, move slower or aligned to your target or move closer, etc.). With ECM, you can only slightly reduce the chance of receiving a complete black out.


Oh boy noooooeeees..

ECM has no counter? No wonder this comes from a blobb-logi pilot..

Maybe he didn't ever notice but energy neutralizers is the strongest warfare in the game, not a few seconds of no target lock.

If you get jammed this only means, you loose that ability, nothing more, nothing less. It does not prevent you to move your ship, does not breake your ship, does not turn of your modules, only targeted modules pause for a short moment.

You can still reposition your boat, warp away and do it all over again.

Neutralizers have no counter and will curse your ship into an unfit one and requires zero effort to use.

But after the CSM Minutes I am hardly surprised Sad

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This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Lugh Crow-Slave
#23 - 2015-02-04 21:11:45 UTC
elitatwo wrote:

Oh boy noooooeeees..

ECM has no counter? No wonder this comes from a blobb-logi pilot..

Maybe he didn't ever notice but energy neutralizers is the strongest warfare in the game, not a few seconds of no target lock.

If you get jammed this only means, you loose that ability, nothing more, nothing less. It does not prevent you to move your ship, does not breake your ship, does not turn of your modules, only targeted modules pause for a short moment.

You can still reposition your boat, warp away and do it all over again.

Neutralizers have no counter and will curse your ship into an unfit one and requires zero effort to use.

But after the CSM Minutes I am hardly surprised Sad


Quote:

well yeah but i can put neuts on anything so i use them i don't use ecm so it can be removed"

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#24 - 2015-02-04 21:33:04 UTC
new mechanics idea
- instead of a complete hit or miss per cycle, make it a more intermittent disruption to a ships ability too lock and perhaps add in some secondary smaller effects like like sensor dampeners do but more like 15- 25% to scan res and lock range.

- so over a 20 second cycle each jam lasts only say 5seconds .. but could happen every 10 seconds and the secondary effects would last the whole cycle
- make falloff effect strength of the module rather than a hit or miss modifier and decrease optimal range of the modules by a good chunk too force ecm ships closer too get full effect.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lugh Crow-Slave
#25 - 2015-02-04 21:58:57 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
new mechanics idea
- instead of a complete hit or miss per cycle, make it a more intermittent disruption to a ships ability too lock and perhaps add in some secondary smaller effects like like sensor dampeners do but more like 15- 25% to scan res and lock range.

- so over a 20 second cycle each jam lasts only say 5seconds .. but could happen every 10 seconds and the secondary effects would last the whole cycle
- make falloff effect strength of the module rather than a hit or miss modifier and decrease optimal range of the modules by a good chunk too force ecm ships closer too get full effect.



this would be extremely broken constantly loosing locks means you need to constantly re-lock


the hit or miss is what is so great about ECM and knowing how to manage your cycles is what makes a good ecm pilot

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Juan Mileghere
The Corporate Raiders
#26 - 2015-02-04 23:15:33 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
As far as I remember, CCP Fozzie hinted during last Fanfest they want to scrap the current ECM mechanics altogether and replace it with something else. If I remember correctly, he was not happy, and many seem to agree there, that ECM is the only Ewar where there's no countermeasure; if you are jammed, you cannot do anything to counter act this (save for drones), whereas other Ewar has things you can do to counter it (Damps, get closer, use Sebo/Sigamp; TP, move faster/out of range; TD, use TC/TE, move slower or aligned to your target or move closer, etc.). With ECM, you can only slightly reduce the chance of receiving a complete black out.

ECMs can be countered with
ECCMs
ReECCM
Sensor Comp Skills
Sensor Strength Subsystem for Tengu and Legion IIRC
Ah, nm I get what you're saying, yeah ECMs do need a rework though, not sure how, but it'd be nice to get one.

Whoever said Neuts have no counter get a Cap Booster or a Cap Chain/Logi pilot.

Blobbing Explained
Lugh Crow-Slave
#27 - 2015-02-04 23:24:00 UTC
Juan Mileghere wrote:

Whoever said Neuts have no counter get a Cap Booster or a Cap Chain/Logi pilot.


no one said they had no counter they said it was the strongest e-war

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Phaade
Know-Nothings
Snuffed Out
#28 - 2015-02-05 00:20:28 UTC
Remove or completely re design.
Phaade
Know-Nothings
Snuffed Out
#29 - 2015-02-05 00:21:47 UTC
Juan Mileghere wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
As far as I remember, CCP Fozzie hinted during last Fanfest they want to scrap the current ECM mechanics altogether and replace it with something else. If I remember correctly, he was not happy, and many seem to agree there, that ECM is the only Ewar where there's no countermeasure; if you are jammed, you cannot do anything to counter act this (save for drones), whereas other Ewar has things you can do to counter it (Damps, get closer, use Sebo/Sigamp; TP, move faster/out of range; TD, use TC/TE, move slower or aligned to your target or move closer, etc.). With ECM, you can only slightly reduce the chance of receiving a complete black out.

ECMs can be countered with
ECCMs
ReECCM
Sensor Comp Skills
Sensor Strength Subsystem for Tengu and Legion IIRC
Ah, nm I get what you're saying, yeah ECMs do need a rework though, not sure how, but it'd be nice to get one.

Whoever said Neuts have no counter get a Cap Booster or a Cap Chain/Logi pilot.

And you'll still be jammed by a hornet ec 300.

I had 200 sensor strength one time and was nearly perma jammed by vexors. ECM is garbage.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#30 - 2015-02-05 01:46:38 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Juan Mileghere wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
As far as I remember, CCP Fozzie hinted during last Fanfest they want to scrap the current ECM mechanics altogether and replace it with something else. If I remember correctly, he was not happy, and many seem to agree there, that ECM is the only Ewar where there's no countermeasure; if you are jammed, you cannot do anything to counter act this (save for drones), whereas other Ewar has things you can do to counter it (Damps, get closer, use Sebo/Sigamp; TP, move faster/out of range; TD, use TC/TE, move slower or aligned to your target or move closer, etc.). With ECM, you can only slightly reduce the chance of receiving a complete black out.

ECMs can be countered with
ECCMs
ReECCM
Sensor Comp Skills
Sensor Strength Subsystem for Tengu and Legion IIRC
Ah, nm I get what you're saying, yeah ECMs do need a rework though, not sure how, but it'd be nice to get one.

Whoever said Neuts have no counter get a Cap Booster or a Cap Chain/Logi pilot.

And you'll still be jammed by a hornet ec 300.

I had 200 sensor strength one time and was nearly perma jammed by vexors. ECM is garbage.


... smart bomb those things cant even survive one blast

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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