Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Or you could have just fitted the same ship and rely on player skill to win.....

Now that is a little unkind, and unwarranted.

Of course we all know very well that "solo" pvp is so rare that it can be thought of as non-existent. Solo ganks happen and they sometimes turn into solo pvp.

Of course we know that the vast majority of pvp is won because one side brought a knife to a gunfight (whether knowingly or not) - note that I am not discounting the skilful use of range and speed. Some people are truly gifted at this kind of pvp.

And of course a local tank brawling strategy (whether shield or armour) has very limited use in reality - generally being limited to short-term bait or a quick in-out gank of some defenceless unfortunate who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that if one *were* to choose local reps in shield then ASB easily outclasses (and therefore obviates) any other form of shield tank.

I actually once had a dual-asb scout/point tengu. It proved the point quite nicely. That ship lasted in w-space for a year, being involved in a number of attempts to destroy it.

Even a 6-man gang which included an astarte, several neuts, webs and multiple other forms of dps were unable to destroy it - even after decloaking it 3 times as we played wormhole pingpong over the course of 8 minutes. (you know the strategy, use a dictor to put a bubble out then decloak the guy, forcing him to wait out his harmonics timer).

Now I know the tengu is a powerful ship - that's why I chose it. But what I think is unfortunate is that the survivability it achieved with 2 ASBs could never be achieved with SBs, however much was spent on them. Note that the toon involved had no implants or drugs. Just an 2 overheated ASBs and an overheated DG Invulnerability field.

I would hate to divert the argument along the lines of "yeah but the tengu is OP...". That's not the issue at all. Had I been using a shield booster plus cap booster setup, I'd have been without tank for half the encounter because of the neuts and I've had gone down.

The story is that, in comparison to SB alternatives, ASBs are still OP.

Now I'm not here to really say if ASB's were OP in your tourney but from the few posts I've read on here one kinda got skipped:



From my experience in low (just don't go quoting me ) I sometimes quite like to try MASB frigs solo and try similar tactics to kill hawks and HB's that try to out-tank you.

In this case you're not putting up with rockets that you can't out track (but sometimes can out range) so either kiting and webbing/popping drones or getting in close to out track the guns and killing drones would be the first thing to do if you suspect a brick tank.

After that it comes down to if he can use them well enough to get a reload in but for a maulus once it's out of charges it's dead (hopefully you've stocked enough ammo), sure if you have a strict time limit you might run out but for real either he dies or calls his buddies for help.

Page 5 and I've reached the "Oh God..." stage.

Cap's run out. Shields are down.

Thanks for your time everyone.

I thought you all might be interested to see the kill mail where that epic tengu finally met its end.

Note the number of attackers that were required...

https://zkillboard.com/kill/38658194/

I can definitely recommend that fit for w-space scouting and pointing of unfortunates, although these days I expect rapid light launchers would be a better choice.

I disagree with your assessment of ASBs being overpowered. I was able to kill a Dual ASB Worm with a Merlin. Tech II guns were obviously a factor. I've killed many other dual MASB ships as well...even those bonuses for it.

Oh and was there also a rule that you couldn't kill drones? Cuz you only have 4....

Says "booster vs booster", goes on to compare extender vs booster.

How much shield does an LSB give vs an LASB? Per-cycle and over the course of nine cycles, if you please.

Maybe you'd like to compare trimarks against target painters next and tell us which is better, or perhaps take up a career in politics.

He's right. The final effect is the same, the only difference is on the ASB your shield points come in bursts.

Not if you have other people involved in your MMO...

*troll* And for the sake of putting the most worthless argument in tehre too because I can, if the combat last long enough, the LSE will win again out of passive regen quite a while after the LASB ran out of cap charge. */troll*

Yes, alpha will always beat active tanking. Nonetheless those 21 secs you're counting are for 1 module only, and you're considering a module permanently activated wich usually doesn't happen unless the incoming DPS is overwhelming. With two modules, if you can manage to stretch the tanking time of one module while the other module reloads then you'll also have to take into account the cargo space. Overall it is a huge ammount of HP available. Of course, it doesn't make SE obsolete because of alpha and RR, but it is a very powerful module nonetheless.

I only wished the boost was relative to the charge size used. I guess this is something the game engine can't handle though.