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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#21 - 2011-12-01 05:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Double post....
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-12-01 05:12:16 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Sin Meng wrote:


Tracking issues. The point is to stay under an enemy battleship's tracking while still being able to track them with your own battleship sized guns. Yes that implies getting in close, possibly even in web range, but thats what the AB is for.

-snip-


EXAMPLE: Ever lived in 0.0? Seen a Maelstrom or Abaddon blob? Talos + logistics = problem solved.

Regardless, this is a Talos fit thread, please take the "why not just use x instead" rabble elsewhere.


Luls. Alpha fleets vs Talos will be very amusing. You have to survive long enough for an armour logi's reps to cyclee on you once you get called primary.

Second, I would hate to take this up against a neut domi. No cap = no AB = no guns + 5 bonused Ogre IIs + no tank = ROFL.

You have a battle chubby for the Talos vs BS's which is undeserved. The Talos will excel as a cruiser and BC killer, where that web bonus can really start to bite. The way hybrids have been bufffed, a BC with AB under a T2 web will only be orbiting at 100m/s or less. You do not want to be hiding behind an 800mm plate facing offf against a Maelstrom, girlfriend.


Arnold Jackson wrote:
What you talkin bout Willis?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-12-01 11:01:40 UTC
Sin Meng wrote:
Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1.


if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has.


tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon.

Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle


hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos.



now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-01 12:50:41 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Sin Meng wrote:
Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1.


if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has.


tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon.

Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle


hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos.



now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough.




Talos may work at medium/long(ish) range with rails, but its going to be very thin, and Naga will still do it better because it'll be able to fit guns AND is tank.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-12-01 14:07:23 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Try a decent lvl IV mission in it and come back to tell us how it went...................Lol


Let me guess? someone stole your sweet roll?
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-01 15:57:58 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Sin Meng wrote:
Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1.


if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has.


tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon.

Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle


hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos.



now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough.



Talos is the only viable tier 3 BC for solo work. 4 mids/5 lows means it can fit a nice balance of tank, tackle, and DPS, and the dronebay + web(s) means it shouldn't get soloed by a rifter.

Tornado is nice until something webs it, in which case you're dead. (Unless you fly an armor fit, but that has extremely negligible DPS, which is essential when you're solo.)

Oracle doesn't have the mid slots or the dronebay to survive solo. Sort of like a Zealot, only with even worse tracking.

The Naga at close range is basically a worse oracle, with less open mid slots for tackle since you're shield tanking, and no hybrid tracking bonus.

So yes, the Talos does have its niche.
In a 0.0 lagfest, the Tornado is probably king with arties.
For small gang pewpew, the Oracle would probably be the best, with a decent mix of range + tank + gank.
And for 150km+ sniping... The Naga. Not that people do this anymore. Cry
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-12-01 16:00:51 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Sin Meng wrote:
Think Intended Role, not how long will I last in a 1v1 slugfest in Asteroid Belt 1.


if intended role for the talos is to be a blaster ship then that ship will be long gone before it reaches a target with the EHP it has.


tornado is still better here because it's more mobile and it has a more flexible weapon.

Oracle is better because it can engage at ranges were a blaster talos won't even be able to tickle


hell even the naga will be able to dish the same damage at longer ranges. and is a naturally shield tanked ship meaning it will be a better shield ship than the talos will ever be, specially when you slam mag stabs and TE's on lows and shield tank it to the whazoo, thus having a similar tracking to the talos.



now don't get me wrong, the talos seems a nice ship. the issue is that CCP didn't boosted blasters enough.



Talos is the only viable tier 3 BC for solo work. 4 mids/5 lows means it can fit a nice balance of tank, tackle, and DPS, and the dronebay + web(s) means it shouldn't get soloed by a rifter.

Tornado is nice until something webs it, in which case you're dead. (Unless you fly an armor fit, but that has extremely negligible DPS, which is essential when you're solo.)

Oracle doesn't have the mid slots or the dronebay to survive solo. Sort of like a Zealot, only with even worse tracking.

The Naga at close range is basically a worse oracle, with less open mid slots for tackle since you're shield tanking, and no hybrid tracking bonus.

So yes, the Talos does have its niche.
In a 0.0 lagfest, the Tornado is probably king with arties.
For small gang pewpew, the Oracle would probably be the best, with a decent mix of range + tank + gank.
And for 150km+ sniping... The Naga. Not that people do this anymore. Cry

for solo work however, anything bigger than a cruiser is really pushing it, so that niche is really very small.Ugh

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#28 - 2011-12-01 18:49:03 UTC
you are going to be in trouble if you run into a few of these with logi support and they have light ecm drones in them.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#29 - 2011-12-01 20:41:35 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
however, do tell me if there's any reason to use a talos over a Naga.

or an Oracle.

or a Tornado.


its the only one of the 4 that wont be killed by a t1 frig if it get close enough
it do more dps than the other 3 bc
HybridOnslaught
New Eden Outcasts
#30 - 2011-12-01 23:34:51 UTC
i like the fit ild prob opt for somthing else other than the second prop. i was about to fit my one but the robbibng jita whores putting neutron to 7 mil a gun is crazy, mega puls is worse at 9mil
Kartaugh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-12-02 00:10:39 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Try a decent lvl IV mission in it and come back to tell us how it went...................Lol


What, you mean like this?

[Talos, Missions]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5


Sure it's freakishly expensive, but you only said you wanted a decent fit for L4s, no mention of price limits.

923 dps (without counting drones) at 41+41.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-12-02 00:57:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
To mare wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
however, do tell me if there's any reason to use a talos over a Naga.

or an Oracle.

or a Tornado.


its the only one of the 4 that wont be killed by a t1 frig if it get close enough
it do more dps than the other 3 bc

it only does more "paper" dps than the naga because of the drones.

naga has the same hislots and the same damage bonus.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#33 - 2011-12-02 01:00:25 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
To mare wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
however, do tell me if there's any reason to use a talos over a Naga.

or an Oracle.

or a Tornado.


its the only one of the 4 that wont be killed by a t1 frig if it get close enough
it do more dps than the other 3 bc

it only does more "paper" dps than the naga because of the drones.

naga has the same hislots and the same damage bonus.


You really shouldn't discount the whole "killed by a T1 frigate" thing. Its kinda a big deal.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-12-02 01:11:08 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
To mare wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
however, do tell me if there's any reason to use a talos over a Naga.

or an Oracle.

or a Tornado.


its the only one of the 4 that wont be killed by a t1 frig if it get close enough
it do more dps than the other 3 bc

it only does more "paper" dps than the naga because of the drones.

naga has the same hislots and the same damage bonus.


You really shouldn't discount the whole "killed by a T1 frigate" thing. Its kinda a big deal.

-Liang

well yeah ok, you have more chances surviving frigates in a talos.
but while it's a big thing, when you weight in all the other things it kinda strikes as bleh.

it's more like that the fact that it can survive vs T1 frigates seems more like an afterthought than anything. "Oh hey, here's the Talos, a blaster ship like any other one that does the same damage as the naga, but it can fight off frigates!!11one".
Straight

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#35 - 2011-12-02 01:15:26 UTC
Grimpak wrote:

well yeah ok, you have more chances surviving frigates in a talos.
but while it's a big thing, when you weight in all the other things it kinda strikes as bleh.

it's more like that the fact that it can survive vs T1 frigates seems more like an afterthought than anything. "Oh hey, here's the Talos, a blaster ship like any other one that does the same damage as the naga, but it can fight off frigates!!11one".
Straight


Set your feelings aside and think of when these ships are actually going to see use. IMO the trade between an optimal bonus and a tracking bonus + drone bay + Damage Control is completely legit.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-12-02 01:22:47 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Grimpak wrote:

well yeah ok, you have more chances surviving frigates in a talos.
but while it's a big thing, when you weight in all the other things it kinda strikes as bleh.

it's more like that the fact that it can survive vs T1 frigates seems more like an afterthought than anything. "Oh hey, here's the Talos, a blaster ship like any other one that does the same damage as the naga, but it can fight off frigates!!11one".
Straight


Set your feelings aside and think of when these ships are actually going to see use. IMO the trade between an optimal bonus and a tracking bonus + drone bay + Damage Control is completely legit.

-Liang



well yeah I understand that and I know that it's legit but...

it's like that dual-prop thing: yes it works, and yes it's viable, but it feels... wrongUgh

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A Lunchbox
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#37 - 2011-12-02 01:24:07 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
it's more like that the fact that it can survive vs T1 frigates seems more like an afterthought than anything. "Oh hey, here's the Talos, a blaster ship like any other one that does the same damage as the naga, but it can fight off frigates!!11one".
Straight


You need to stop that... shouting... You're making the townspeople nervous
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2011-12-02 01:25:19 UTC
Grimpak wrote:

well yeah I understand that and I know that it's legit but...

it's like that dual-prop thing: yes it works, and yes it's viable, but it feels... wrongUgh


Well, sure. Lol Either way, I think the real questions people need to answer relate to the Talos vs Oracle and Tornado, not the Naga.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#39 - 2011-12-02 01:54:35 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Stealthbug wrote:
The idea of soloing in one of these I find about as attractive as letting maple syrup sun dry on my genitals.


Don't knock it until you've tried it.



I'm betting that he has
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-12-02 01:55:23 UTC
It looks good to me I've always thought these new BC's were made for lowsec roaming BC gangs as anti BS/Carrier support role

I lied :o