Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Be constructive or get lost please

Again this is about merging the games rather than leaving them separate entities, you have been warned previously sir.

If you had read more this is related to why A) It doesn't matter. and B) It's a bad idea. Please keep up.

He is trolling to block discussion, please don't feed the troll

Not trolling at all. The EVE playerbase is really quite picky about what it likes and doesn't like.

The vast majority of the core playerbase of EVE (the veteran players with multiple accounts and high retention levels) have never played DUST, and have absolutely no serious interest in doing so.

The above proposal was to allow EVE players to force a ship into structure, then both prevent them from self destructing at command, and potentially being able to eject the player from their own ship through a DUST match.

It doesn't matter if it's restricted to ships in hull. It's my ship, and I have a big red button on my metaphorical dashboard, I'll blow it up when I damn well feel like it. It's a system that takes a game that we don't care about and don't play, and allowing someone else playing that game to both prevent me from self destructing my ship, and potentially stealing my ship out from around me with only the hope that some random group of DUST bunnies succeed to prevent it from happening.

You can sit there and squawk about how you think I'm trolling and blocking discussion, but you are sticking your head in the sand if you think people would be OK with this change. People were pissy and quit en masse over Monoclegate and CCP's microtransaction plans, but forcing control out of a players hands into the hands of someone else playing a different game is going to go over well? No it won't. At all.

And the people the angriest about the change would be those the longest playing players, who have high numbers of accounts per person, and are the main content generators for CCP's advertisements, mainly the nullsec Sov wars. The ones CCP can afford to lose the least by ill planned and executed mechanics.

the whole purpose is to blur the lines between one game and the other

by your argument against this, you shouldnt be able to be violenced while running level 5 missions because PvP is somethign you have no interest in and therefore shouldnt be susceptible to


now im not saying boarding is a good idea, its plain stupid honestly, realistically the capsuleer would just plasma vent all decks and be done with it

but gameplay wise, limiting interaction to "only minor benefits, nothing game breaking, adn absolutely no downsides to not participating" is basically not wanting the games to be together at all.

Originally CCP wanted EVE and EVE alone to be the be-all-end-all of scifi simulation, not just spaceships, it wasnt until later on they decided theyd rather piecemeal the game out (hell, i believe it was soudnwave who said if he could remove PI and make it a tablet game with separate accounts and players, he would, same with mining/industry). What were saying is we want CCP to go back to the ORIGINAL vision, which was "1 game to rule them all"

It's all part of EVE. PvE or PvP, you open up you eve client, jump in your spaceship, and off you go. Or not. Stay in stations and trade or scam or w/e. It's all EVE.

It is quite likely that eventually, we will have a single launcher from which I can launch EVE or DUST or Valkyrie. Maybe we can swap between from our CQ, our Warbarge, or our fighter hangar as well as a unified launcher. I don't know what form it will take.

But EVE, DUST, and Valk are all built on 100% completely incompatible software bases. They were built from the ground up as separate games, and there is absolutely no framework that would permit them to be "the same game". They will always be separate games, a separate executable that launches when you go from EVE to DUST or Valk or the other way around.

You can't just take a PC space submarine simulator that runs on full second pings from a central server and displays position with a rough approximation, a PC space twitch fighter that relies on low latency and a low-moderate number of tracked hitbox objects moving, and a console game FPS and tell them to do the fusion dance to get a product where everything plays nicely together in space with fighters buzzing around ships, Dusties fighting on whatever, and space ships fighting it out.

If you had Dusties in a launcher, you would launch them, at which point the Dusties, operating a SEPARATE SPECIFIC DUST program, would fight it out, and return to results to the EVE clients.

That's not the same game. That's a separate game that feeds back into EVE.

So before you start insisting that everyone is ignoring your genius idea of a "unified game client" how about you paint us a picture of exactly what you think that means, and how EVE/DUST/VALK is magically going overcome being three separate games and turn into something where they can all run concurrently within a unified client.

And no, it can't involve the words "rewrite everything in all three games from the ground up". On that point, here's a links one of the CCP programmers posted in reply to a Reddit thread from a while back about "EVE 2.0 and the need to rewrite spaghetti code"

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

TLDR: A ground up rewrite is not going to happen.

I and other posters have already done so. I see no reason to come up with ways to merge the games just so EVE players can mercilessly grief DUST players and vise versa. Since any interaction that does not allow merciless griefing is basically a waste of time I don't see the point. Any inter-game links will either be too weak to matter or so strong that one or both games will be negatively affected.

Although I feel this is fairly far from on topic, I would hesitate to recommend a specific on market engine currently in play, although perhaps there may be some experts in rendering technologies that could assist us in understanding how to do this, I am far from an expert on modern modelling or rendering technologies. I would rather put this to the engineers who work with it every day at CCP to look for a way to do this, as they develop both games (the Iceland and Shanghai studios in separate TZ and continents) should be able to find a way, considering they proposed something similar at Fanfest when they announced Legion as the future of Dust. Hopefully there is a way to make this possible, as I have seen many cases of RTS games going straight from on ground running and moving, shooting to vehicle piloting, for instance Battlefield 3.

But I digress and this is not a topic about functionality of the client but rather what benefits each game could share from being merged with the other. On a side note, I really don't think it would necessarily need the same engine as if you notice, every time you Dock or Undock you go through a Loading process, from one environment to the other, the Legionnaire deploying from station to ground would likely be able to use the engine for the FPS action and the Pilot would still have the benefit of Pilot's current game engine, as it is now, the main difference being that the Pilot would be able to either board their POD and or ship or deploy to the ground with an upgraded cyber implant of course. There is already a common ground of the space station and MQ/CQ.

From what I understand about how Dust was built from the ground up on PC and Ported each patch to the PS3 (not developed on PS3) it would be easy enough to convert it over to PC in a very short time period.

In fact during fanfest when CCP announced they were moving to PC from PS3, they presented us with a product for PC that functioned as normal for Dust, looked smoother and not at all glitchy as the current build clearly is (likely caused by designing on pc an porting to ps3).

ISD should drop that link into every 'rewrite it all' thread, I know that pain and the article is so true. All you can do is improve sections as you work on them and hope one day the legacy core code becomes small enough to rewrite.

On linking the three games isn't this impossible simply due to the differing economies? I thought the cost of DUST and Valkyrie gear was basically peanuts compared even with how much ISK the average combat anom hunter leaves behind them when they run off looking for the next site. Any single EvE pilot would be able to equip the DUST corp with the absolute best gear pretty easily wouldn't they?

Don't get me wrong it could be quite fun to have very specific areas of faction war or new systems where dusties, valk pilots and EvE eggs can interact with each other but that's all it could be. The games are all too vastly different to directly affect each other.