EVE General Discussion

That is incorrect, since by giving people in NPC corps who have no social ties the tools to create those ties they then become engaged in the EVE community and will stick around rather than quit out of boredom, and that engagement has the potential to be in the form of a player corp membership if they decide that their group goals lay in that direction.


I bet that whatever you lose in terms of discontented wardec targets in highsec will be vastly outweighed by the gain to the whole game from greater new player retention and a more enthusiastic, engaged playerbase.


If your concern is with highsec Incursion runners, you should advocate addressing Incursion mechanics, rather than trying to limit the creation of social bonds within a social game.

And anyway, Incursion groups already have these "corporation-like features" (which while you call them that, is an entirely inaccurate term) that social groups are intended to provide in-game, they simply use third-party tools or disparate in-game mailing lists and chat channels to do it.

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Lol? I know you crazies want to punish people for being in NPC corps, but you want them to be taxed completely and be wardeccable? Why don't you simply say "remove them"?

This mentality is the problem of where the future of high sec space is headed. You are the problem. Instead of coming up with positive solutions to issues that are occurring (IE... The ganking that people are complaining about), you are only going to exponentially contribute.

ROFL. I'm sure that's it, I'm sure loads of small corps "run their mouths" and that's why people go after them, not because they are soft targets and their predators and shockingly risk averse.

That can be stated as much as you want, but it's not true. Wardecs for example reward you most for going after the softest targets. If you wardec a powerful PvP group you don;t get much reward, but if yo wardec a bunch of haulers and industrialists you get loads.

That's not even remotely what happening here., what we'tre talking about is streamlining existing social tools into in-game systems.

No they aren't. If you go after a group that can fold up and evade then you picked too small a target. You can't fold a decently sized corp to avoid wardecs, nor can you reasonably fold any group utilising assets in space. The probem is that "wardec PvP carebears" refuse to acknowledge that they are being risk averse and cry when they dec a 2 man corp who subsequently evades them. Pick better targets.

Like what? Getting rid of a tax that effects almost nothing?

The dubious privilege of using the Pos system, the most broken mechanic in MMO history?

Remove wardecs, that will give reasons for people to stay in player corps. I assume that is what you were leaning towards?

The benefits have been listed numerous times and they go far beyond tax. There's proof of this too, look at how many corps exist. They wouldn't exist if there were no benefits.

Not the best from you there Kaarous. Being in you own / someone else's corp is far better than being in a NPC for sure. I find the Pos most helpful.

Like you I dislike long term players hiding behind NPC corps. They leave you only Ganking, as the only choice to combat their competition. As a miner I see it all the time. Especially in Ice belts. Fleets of 10+ all in NPC, and there is nothing you can do about it, apart from gank.

I detest the WD immunity, as it is being used as a tool, to benefit those in NPC Corps, greater than those like me, who take full risks. I do not know what % of tax NPC Corps take (Which is 100% avoidable if a miner), but the cost to run a Corp, with in space assets, does run into 100's of millions

Hold SOV. Deploy a POS. Own a POCO. Share station hangars. Share wallets. There's some industrial production stuff too, I think.



Dubious? A POS is where you park your supers and Titans. It's where you mine moon goo for billions of ISK. It's were you stash your wormhole SMAs. It's were you anchor your SAAs to build caps, your refining arrays, your jump bridges... (Their brokenness might make then difficult to use, but that doesn't diminish their usefulness and CCP is working on that anyway with the new deployable feature.

So your logic dictates that this is a positive change because it will directly benefit one specific group.

Of which this one specific group already operates in such a way that they can avoid wardec mechanics.

Who will soon find that this change isn't enough and roll their freighter alts into a normal corporation?

Does that sum it up?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Yes I would, if needed be. or get a merc to do it for me. At least I could compete at the same level of competition as them

They'd still need a main corp (which they have) to accep cotnracts as a corp lite won't have contracts and their haulers in either NPC corps or a corp lite. I very much doubt they would bother with a corp lite since they specifically avoid naming their haulers because gankers would go after them a lot more. Why the hell would they want to advertise they are hauling on contract? Sorry mate, but it sounds like you have no clue what you are talking about.

Carebears will complain. That doesn't mean CCP will implement everything they ask for. The worst of the carebears have complained for ganking to be removed and yet we still have an ever growing ganking community. What you're saying is that because someone might complain that we should not bother making changes, even ones that are themselves not carebearish, for fear of carebears being listened to one day. And I'm the stupid one?