EVE General Discussion

It came up in the end of day 1 in the winter summit of last year Page 7 on the pdf http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM9-WS-D1.pdf

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This is the 1st csm post I have ever read that has any logic.

But this will prol be a Eve LFR type deal, with bad results as its done 1/2 arsed.

Maybe take some time with the people who actually play the game i.e. stop gathering your data from people with political agendas who hardly ever log in the game and trolls trying to destroy your game.

SUICIDE ALL THE GROUPS !

TO HELL WITH YA !

The slimy aspect to this is complete lack of clear disclosure that people are ultimately getting corp mechanics without being subsequently susceptible to war decs, with ambiguous claims of newbies being mass griefed out of the game for good measure.

I would argue many stay in the game, because they are surprised in their mission pockets and dragged out of PVE drudgery, by someone invading their mission and giving them real player content they wouldn't otherwise pursue... We can all quote crap assertions out of our arses Steve.

I would again argue that with the long list of nerfs already done, and how bloody easy it is to avoid war consequences today, no further nerfs to content creation in hisec should be pursued. To the contrary, non-consensual conflict drivers need a swing of the pendulum the other way now towards buffs.

In closing, let us weigh the spirit of these non-wardeccable social corporation abominations, with some words from CCP Falcon when 'ganking' (which I am sure is next on Steve and Mike Asariah's lists of things that 'must be removed to save the poor carebears from quitting..) was last discussed...

CCP Falcon -- "Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience." -- CCP Falcon

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All members of social corps should be easily visible as such ...
... so we can kick them out of the game for being unable to defend themselves.

Not a single new player has ever been griefed out of the game.

They all ran either by choice or by ignorance.

And putting "griefing" into quotation marks doesn't help hiding the bullshit.

Crappy CEOs of newplayercorps are the ones to blame. People don't get decced for no reason.
Most of them are bigmouthing, whining assholes who deserve only to be hunted and removed.

You want to limit combat even more ...
... so we will force it down your throats.

Ignorance is Strength, ey ?

Well, for that I killed a pod carrying 54 Million ISK in implants.

And next time I'll tell the victim who paid me to do it ...........

Harkonnen is true to his values.
And he's barely noticable around here anyway.

It might be a mistake, because effective placement can lead to ... something.

What he lacks is me. haha. We actually agree on many things ...
... though I admit the deeper meta of the SRP thread was beyond me.

I have no idea why I am being ignored by him more than I should get.


I never got a blog entry for my doings.
People even suggested me.

Well... Solstice, actually.

I miss Solstice.


*sighs*

The problem comes when people use quotes like that as an excuse for blindly stating that the game needs to be purely focussed around shooting things, which happens a lot. When a lot of people say "EVE is a PvP game" they mean "Eve is a game based around shooting things", and they erroneously throw these quotes out as support.


First off, NPC corps would likely be included. This is because they are a valid option of playstyle even if you get your panties in a bunch every time someone joins one.

Secondly, if by some twist of fate they were excluded from joining social corps, you would simply find everyone who wants to be in a social corp forming up 1 man corps and recycling that 1 man corp whenever they are wardecced, so it'd be pointless to do that anyway.

At the end of the day wardecs as they a exists are a broken mechanic which allows weak groups of risk averse PvPers to disable highsec for given groups. I see no reason why social corps as they have been proposed should be forced to live under the same broken mechanic. All that would do is make membership of these groups off limits for highsec players which is much the problem with the normal corporation system now.

Page 7 is a picture of a cat, and is as helpful as all pictures of cats are.

Here is the attendant message on the page.

"THIS CONTENT OF THIS SESSION IS BEING HELD UNDER NDA, AS A DEV BLOG IS COMING SOON
CONTAINING ALL CONTENT DISCUSSED. INSTEAD, HERE IS AN AMUSING PICTURE OF A CAT:"