EVE General Discussion

Fat chance, most wardeccers are scared of null. They rather pick on the helpless than go get swarmed upon, becoming helpless themself. Like a circle closed with sweet irony.

It was an exploit. No ifs ands or buts. Bears got in trouble for it over and over. The complained and cried on the forums like you are doing now and CCP eventually caved in and took away exploit-status from it. They did NOT deem it as Mechanics Working As Intended. They simply stopped enforcing the rule about it

Hey Low and Null are scary! Stuff can shoot back..

Dec dodging. It used to be a no no.

Hyperdunking was a use of gameplay mechanics deemed illegal, petitioned, whined about on the forums, and eventually overturned so CCP could wash their hands of it. And so was wardec dodging.

When was hyperdunking ever deemed illegal by CCP? Is there a CCP post on that I've missed?

Can't discuss bans (even temporary ones pending a review) on the forum, but hyperdunking was never deemed illegal use of game mechanics. The only word from CCP that I've read is that it's not an abuse of mechanics.

So was hyperdunking

A character was banned for it and it was in direction violation of a GM statement.

CCP relented after the whining, etc. and, in addition to overturning the ban, said flat out, "[the previous GM statement is] no longer applicable, and the current ruling overrides it." That's a complete and tacit admission that hyperdunking WAS in violation of the previous GM statement right up until the point it was retracted officially by that post. Otherwise they wouldn't have needed to retract it.

I don't actually care one way or another. I just find it funny that people will call one emergent and the other not (in either direction) without realizing just how clearly it exposes their personal bias (not logic, or intelligence, or insight... just straight up blinder-based bias), and then cling to and defend this position to their virtual death. BOTH tactics are emergent and both have been ruled OK by CCP after having been previously ruled NOT OK by CCP.

No. Lena is correct in that. Maybe the events can be described differently by different people, however the fact CCP had to put out a statement negating a previous policy (as stated in the statement) as being over ridden by a new formulation (also stated in the policy), is significant in a discussion of this. They felt obliged to disambiguate, no?

I believe this is a key sentence, and I thank you for pointing it out. Honestly, I believe CCP has finally figured out that you can't force people to do anything.
No matter how many carrots and sticks you swing around like dead cats, you can't force the players to do things. You can encourage, you can threaten, but you can't force. This is something the people that cry "nerf NPC corps", "nerf incursions", "nerf null-sec plexes", "nerf gank ships", etc. all miss when they start calling for this. They figure, if they get CCP to make X change Y will happen (either they'll get more targets or less people trying to kill them, or easier fights, whatever). The vast majority of the time, this doesn't work.
CCP can't force people out of high-sec, because people who are already unwilling to venture out will just leave if their play style gets nerf'd. CCP can't force people out of NPC corps for the same reason, those that are afraid of war-decs, or anything else that comes with PCs will simply give up.
The only things CCP can do is try to keep people interacting, because that *usually* keeps them around, and try to balance the various play styles.