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Migui X'hyrrn
No More Dramas Only Llamas
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
#21 - 2015-01-29 16:45:54 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
not voting for you solely because of your view on mining. miners HAVE the game they want, a way to progress or socialize with buddies in EVE while at work or otherwise preoccupied with life on a second screen. Changing mining to be more "active" based would just force miners to sit there and stare at the rocks for hours on end, rather than engage with friends or paperwork.

in other words, you hate miners and want them to be slaves to minigames. no thank you, not supported, never ever, nope.


I don't hate miners. I was one myself and I have many miner friends that I respect. Eve is a sandbox there are not ways of playing it more legit than others. We can argue about certain aspects on how to optimize particular ways of playing to maximize the benefits for example.

Don't want them out, murdered or anything but I think that mining makes new people stuck themselves and missing a huge part of the game which is sad.

I think that Eve is a living thing and I want that you have to be there to max the benefits. What's the point in having 20 accounts to play the game without playing the game. Socialize? I'm a diplomat, politics is what I do. Docked or using external programs.

Do you want to mine while you are not there? For hours just because it is a very poor way of making Isk?

I'd rather improve the benefits per hour while making it less likely to be the Paradise of betting.

I haven't said anything about mini games though.

Eve needs to start making sure that risk Vs benefit becomes true.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-01-29 20:45:09 UTC
Tiberian Deci wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
not voting for you solely because of your view on mining. miners HAVE the game they want, a way to progress or socialize with buddies in EVE while at work or otherwise preoccupied with life on a second screen. Changing mining to be more "active" based would just force miners to sit there and stare at the rocks for hours on end, rather than engage with friends or paperwork.

in other words, you hate miners and want them to be slaves to minigames. no thank you, not supported, never ever, nope.


Not trying to be a ****, but you realize that you can both mine and socialize with buddies at the same time right? I used to be a highsec miner and I did it and it wasn't difficult at all. If you're mad because this may make it harder for you to play a game while you're at work, all I can say is I want your job.

its not just at work, its i dont want to be trying to find time to type in chat while having to play some absurd minigame EVERY LAST ONE of these "improve mining" ideas turn into.
Migui X'hyrrn
No More Dramas Only Llamas
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
#23 - 2015-01-29 20:51:59 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
[its not just at work, its i dont want to be trying to find time to type in chat while having to play some absurd minigame EVERY LAST ONE of these "improve mining" ideas turn into.


Basically everything that can be trivially escalated horizontally has to be reworked. Banning broadcasting in ISBoxer was the best thing ever.

Do you want to mine AFK? Ok, so be it but if you mine and pay attention, you should get rewarded accordingly.



Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-01-29 21:47:59 UTC
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
[its not just at work, its i dont want to be trying to find time to type in chat while having to play some absurd minigame EVERY LAST ONE of these "improve mining" ideas turn into.


Basically everything that can be trivially escalated horizontally has to be reworked. Banning broadcasting in ISBoxer was the best thing ever.

Do you want to mine AFK? Ok, so be it but if you mine and pay attention, you should get rewarded accordingly.




so ask yourself, how do you see making mining actually FUN with any mechanic, considering they will be doing the exact same thing say, 500-1000 times a day if they are "active".

this would drive OUT more miners than it would attract, mining AFK or not (and im not saying i want to mine AFK, just be able to focus on chatting in the chat boxes instead of being forced to play the same interaction over and over and over again on screen. its the primary reason why I, and most miners, mine instead of mission)
Migui X'hyrrn
No More Dramas Only Llamas
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
#25 - 2015-01-29 22:36:57 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

so ask yourself, how do you see making mining actually FUN with any mechanic, considering they will be doing the exact same thing say, 500-1000 times a day if they are "active".

this would drive OUT more miners than it would attract, mining AFK or not (and im not saying i want to mine AFK, just be able to focus on chatting in the chat boxes instead of being forced to play the same interaction over and over and over again on screen. its the primary reason why I, and most miners, mine instead of mission)


Most newbie miners, according to my experience in multiple helping channels and so on, mine because they know nothing else and they think that mining is a good way to make ISK. It actually isn't. I don't want to get rid of miners, again. I want that newbros aren't stuck in mining since their first day because the game pushes you to do that. Mine if you like that. Stay docked if you like that. Its up to you. Your game, your choice.

Things that scalate horizontally that easily are the heaven for botters. And we must get rid of botters.

I think that risk vs reward and staying at the keyboard are important things for a ONLINE game. You are not part of the scenery. You are a player, alive and you should be there playing the game. Also, this doesn't mean that you should be forced to pay 150% of attention to mine like every second so you don't have even a second to type in chat. Between black and white there are many scales of grey.
Fletcher Kanewald
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2015-01-29 22:40:35 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
[its not just at work, its i dont want to be trying to find time to type in chat while having to play some absurd minigame EVERY LAST ONE of these "improve mining" ideas turn into.


Basically everything that can be trivially escalated horizontally has to be reworked. Banning broadcasting in ISBoxer was the best thing ever.

Do you want to mine AFK? Ok, so be it but if you mine and pay attention, you should get rewarded accordingly.




so ask yourself, how do you see making mining actually FUN with any mechanic, considering they will be doing the exact same thing say, 500-1000 times a day if they are "active".

this would drive OUT more miners than it would attract, mining AFK or not (and im not saying i want to mine AFK, just be able to focus on chatting in the chat boxes instead of being forced to play the same interaction over and over and over again on screen. its the primary reason why I, and most miners, mine instead of mission)



I find it rather odd you admit you don't find an activity fun, yet you continuously do said activity and vehemently oppose any proposed changes to it. You're admitting you want to play EVE by not playing the game and doing something else. Please think about that for a couple of minutes.
Darius Twins
WW Avengers
#27 - 2015-01-30 00:56:21 UTC
+1
Lord Drakandu
Damage Dealers
#28 - 2015-01-30 11:49:26 UTC
Migui is an excellent player who understands and respects the different roles in the game. The gaming community will be well represented eve online if is elected.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-01-30 13:01:05 UTC
Fletcher Kanewald wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
[its not just at work, its i dont want to be trying to find time to type in chat while having to play some absurd minigame EVERY LAST ONE of these "improve mining" ideas turn into.


Basically everything that can be trivially escalated horizontally has to be reworked. Banning broadcasting in ISBoxer was the best thing ever.

Do you want to mine AFK? Ok, so be it but if you mine and pay attention, you should get rewarded accordingly.




so ask yourself, how do you see making mining actually FUN with any mechanic, considering they will be doing the exact same thing say, 500-1000 times a day if they are "active".

this would drive OUT more miners than it would attract, mining AFK or not (and im not saying i want to mine AFK, just be able to focus on chatting in the chat boxes instead of being forced to play the same interaction over and over and over again on screen. its the primary reason why I, and most miners, mine instead of mission)



I find it rather odd you admit you don't find an activity fun, yet you continuously do said activity and vehemently oppose any proposed changes to it. You're admitting you want to play EVE by not playing the game and doing something else. Please think about that for a couple of minutes.

Im saying I want an option in EVE for me to do to have minimal progression on days I otherwis wouldnt be able to play. Say Im told theres a major shipment coming through the airport, and Im stuck on an extra 6 hour shift, there goes my EVE time entirely for the day as i sit around an office typing up papers, but with mining, I can at least make a LITTLE isk while chatting with friends and doing business work, so I can afford a couple frigs for a weekend roam when im NOT at work.

most of the people who mine do it because they play during scenarios like this. EVE is supposed to offer a chocie for ALL play styles, mining is for the minimal interaction minimal profit playstyle, people who want to be logged in, undocked, at risk, but not required to pay 100% attention to the game just to proceed.
Migui X'hyrrn
No More Dramas Only Llamas
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
#30 - 2015-01-30 15:12:13 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
I can at least make a LITTLE isk while chatting with friends and doing business work, so I can afford a couple frigs for a weekend roam when im NOT at work..


And I'm not against that like I already explained. But I think that people paying attention should get more.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-01-30 15:21:21 UTC
+1, excellent guy with excellent ideas
Dodo Veetee
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2015-01-30 16:05:25 UTC
+1

you get my vote
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-01-31 18:14:03 UTC
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
I can at least make a LITTLE isk while chatting with friends and doing business work, so I can afford a couple frigs for a weekend roam when im NOT at work..


And I'm not against that like I already explained. But I think that people paying attention should get more.

but thats not how supply and demand works, you either drastically nerf semi-passive mining's rate to the point its not worth doing so people will actually DO the active version, or you make the active version several magnitudes more "valuable", but since this is just grabbing resources, it will just increase the mineral influx, driving down all the prices, until the active version is at the same if not slightly above current, and the passive is no longer able to make any income whatsoever.

remember gun mining? that was basically the "pay attention and get more minerals than regular mining" option, CCP removed it because it ended up being a significant source of minerals, and a primary reason why mining was such ****** income then to begin with.
Migui X'hyrrn
No More Dramas Only Llamas
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
#34 - 2015-01-31 19:06:16 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

but thats not how supply and demand works, you either drastically nerf semi-passive mining's rate to the point its not worth doing so people will actually DO the active version, or you make the active version several magnitudes more "valuable", but since this is just grabbing resources, it will just increase the mineral influx, driving down all the prices, until the active version is at the same if not slightly above current, and the passive is no longer able to make any income whatsoever.

remember gun mining? that was basically the "pay attention and get more minerals than regular mining" option, CCP removed it because it ended up being a significant source of minerals, and a primary reason why mining was such ****** income then to begin with.


I'm pretty sure that when CCP banned broadcasting many people came up to the same conclussion: oh, now that multiboxing miners aren't reliable in huge scale, the market is going to be damaged! EVE is going to die!

Pretty much the same when ice belts were removed, etc. The reality is that people will adapt to new mechanics and will always find a way to take advantage of them.

Removing botting from EVE is very important. And be on the screen should always be more rewarding than not. In highsec you simply are a drop in an ocean of horrible tanked mackinaws that are going to die in a 0.5 so you feel safer.

Ninja-gas mining in a c6 with a week old venture can net you more ISK than mining with a full skilled mackinaw per hour. Of course risk is much bigger.



Indivil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-02-01 08:54:30 UTC
Migui for president! +1
Lomgrim
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#36 - 2015-02-02 04:23:19 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
I can at least make a LITTLE isk while chatting with friends and doing business work, so I can afford a couple frigs for a weekend roam when im NOT at work..


And I'm not against that like I already explained. But I think that people paying attention should get more.

but thats not how supply and demand works, you either drastically nerf semi-passive mining's rate to the point its not worth doing so people will actually DO the active version, or you make the active version several magnitudes more "valuable", but since this is just grabbing resources, it will just increase the mineral influx, driving down all the prices, until the active version is at the same if not slightly above current, and the passive is no longer able to make any income whatsoever.

remember gun mining? that was basically the "pay attention and get more minerals than regular mining" option, CCP removed it because it ended up being a significant source of minerals, and a primary reason why mining was such ****** income then to begin with.


UNless active version comes with some added perk that has direct implication on just simple "resource" grabbing mechanism. in either way, the idea isnt to maintain the status quo of the market, but rather to make sure that active mining is able to compete with an army of bots, at which points, yes, chances are they will be on equal footing in terms of raw market impact, but the difference is taht a newbro flying a venture actively mining might be able to keep up with 2 botted accounts afk-mining.


Also, migui +1
Zadinliar Kondur
LA ULTIMA FRONTERA
HISPANIA.
#37 - 2015-02-02 08:13:59 UTC
Vote for Migui! +1
Johnathan Severasse
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#38 - 2015-02-02 17:48:28 UTC
+1

Good guy
Fran Riko
Nan Roig
#39 - 2015-02-03 15:58:21 UTC
+1
Bolur Freir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-02-05 04:12:43 UTC
Lomgrim wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
I can at least make a LITTLE isk while chatting with friends and doing business work, so I can afford a couple frigs for a weekend roam when im NOT at work..


And I'm not against that like I already explained. But I think that people paying attention should get more.

but thats not how supply and demand works, you either drastically nerf semi-passive mining's rate to the point its not worth doing so people will actually DO the active version, or you make the active version several magnitudes more "valuable", but since this is just grabbing resources, it will just increase the mineral influx, driving down all the prices, until the active version is at the same if not slightly above current, and the passive is no longer able to make any income whatsoever.

remember gun mining? that was basically the "pay attention and get more minerals than regular mining" option, CCP removed it because it ended up being a significant source of minerals, and a primary reason why mining was such ****** income then to begin with.


UNless active version comes with some added perk that has direct implication on just simple "resource" grabbing mechanism. in either way, the idea isnt to maintain the status quo of the market, but rather to make sure that active mining is able to compete with an army of bots, at which points, yes, chances are they will be on equal footing in terms of raw market impact, but the difference is taht a newbro flying a venture actively mining might be able to keep up with 2 botted accounts afk-mining.


Also, migui +1


I agree, there's no reason to remove the afk mining but an active play style should have increased reward.



Migui is awesome +1
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