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End of the Awoxer? Is eve getting too soft?
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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2015-02-01 21:18:46 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
You can always suicide gank. There should be no consequence free nonconsensual PvP in highsec.

Wars are actually the most consequential form of pvp in high-sec. I'm saying this as someone who's conducted a few hundred of them. You literally pay money for your targets to hire almost-free allies (10m versus 50m+ war fee) and then disband the corporation, leaving you at war with people who aren't your targets.


?

Highsec wars in Eve are either

a) merciless bloodbaths of pathetic highsec PvE corps

or

b) bloodless wars that end when the defenders drop their alliance/corp.


And which one does the war with Marmite and Code, fall into?
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All they do is get new players griefed and cause more experienced players to avoid joining a corp. They are completely awful for highsec.


Big surprise, making your own corp and raking in taxes as isk income has drawbacks and risks! I thought this game was Hello Kitty island adventure, and not eve online. Oh wait, no, it is eve online!

Its called balance in everything. If you stay in an NPC corp, you are safe from wardecs. If you want to make additional isk off your corp mates and/or want access to additional helpful things like free ships in corp hangers, you should join a player owned corp. But its not without its risks. Nothing in Eve is. Nothing in Eve should be.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#122 - 2015-02-01 21:28:33 UTC
*reads stuff*

Ok, so far as I can see after the patch the Friendly Fire Switch will be ON as default. This means CEO's, etc, will actually have to go in and flip the switch to OFF.

*looks at the average idiot hisec CEO*

Carry on, nothing to worry about here.

Bear

Hell, I ran into a 6 year old character yesterday who still thought all you had to do to awox somebody was to get into a fleet with them........

tldr; the smart ones will (or will not...) use The Switch....the dumb ones won't even know it's there......

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#123 - 2015-02-01 22:29:56 UTC
One more bad idea in a whole year of bad ideas.

No skillpont loss, random bans for people, and now a safety switch for corp aggression.

What's next? How about I press the Ctrl key to take cover and have my health regenerate?

This game is being nerfed into oblivion and soon it will be just another cookie cutter theme park where everyone is a winner.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#124 - 2015-02-02 00:57:47 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
One more bad idea in a whole year of bad ideas.

No skillpont loss, random bans for people, and now a safety switch for corp aggression.

What's next? How about I press the Ctrl key to take cover and have my health regenerate?

This game is being nerfed into oblivion and soon it will be just another cookie cutter theme park where everyone is a winner.


Oh dear....let's not turn this into a tearfest please.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#125 - 2015-02-02 01:22:15 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
One more bad idea in a whole year of bad ideas.

No skillpont loss, random bans for people, and now a safety switch for corp aggression.

What's next? How about I press the Ctrl key to take cover and have my health regenerate?

This game is being nerfed into oblivion and soon it will be just another cookie cutter theme park where everyone is a winner.


Oh dear....let's not turn this into a tearfest please.


Well veers, I suppose you have me there. I damn sure am sad to see it go this way. It was a great game that did things to set itself apart from the rest.

I like EVE because losses matter, mistakes are paid for, and lessons are harshly learned. You can call me crying if you like, it doesn't matter, because your just a random dude trolling who I honestly think could care less about the garbage he posts. You know how I know this? Because even the craziest fecal wall-rubbers and self mutilators are open to discussion of counterpoints. You, on the other hand, argue with literally everything that is posted.

Bad troll is bad. Go away Veers. We like Lucas Kell better.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#126 - 2015-02-02 01:36:38 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:

We like Lucas Kell better.


Come now, let's not be too hasty.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#127 - 2015-02-02 01:40:00 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


Well veers, I suppose you have me there. I damn sure am sad to see it go this way. It was a great game that did things to set itself apart from the rest.

I like EVE because losses matter, mistakes are paid for, and lessons are harshly learned. You can call me crying if you like, it doesn't matter, because your just a random dude trolling who I honestly think could care less about the garbage he posts. You know how I know this? Because even the craziest fecal wall-rubbers and self mutilators are open to discussion of counterpoints. You, on the other hand, argue with literally everything that is posted.

Bad troll is bad. Go away Veers. We like Lucas Kell better.


Honestly dude, go to nullsec. There is no reason your gameplay should depend on blowing up pathetic highsec pve victims.

I absolutely believe everything I post...and the reason I lack any doubts is that what I post is objectively true, and therefore no meaningful counterarguments are even theoretically possible. You, like code, prefer loserish and easy to beat opponents. When faced with elite forum PvP, you are without answer. Wishing for Lucas Kell or Dinsdale will not rescue you from reality.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#128 - 2015-02-02 01:46:39 UTC
Drez Arthie wrote:
Correct, but the solution is not to change game mechanics further, but to better use the ones already in place.
Agreed, which is the change many of the so called "griefers" have been pushing for years, they're the ones that have repeatedly been telling people how to use the existing mechanics properly, only to be ignored.
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Habitual war aggressors are vastly outnumbered by the rest of us in hi sec; if only a fraction of us get organized to oppose them, the negative effects of war decs could be mitigated.
Apathy and lack of organisation are why every attempt to do so fails, most people just can't be bothered.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#129 - 2015-02-02 01:56:46 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I absolutely believe everything I post
Someone has to.
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and the reason I lack any doubts is that what I post is objectively true, and therefore no meaningful counterarguments are even theoretically possible.
Subjectively that's a huge steaming pile of tripe. For it to objective it should be free of bias, which your posting is not.
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You, like code, prefer loserish and easy to beat opponents. When faced with elite forum PvP, you are without answer
Don't stop believing.
Quote:
Wishing for Lucas Kell or Dinsdale will not rescue you from reality.
The reality is that you're the one that can't accept the nature of Eve.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#130 - 2015-02-02 02:06:52 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin

wrote:
The reality is that you're the one that can't accept the nature of Eve.


And yet this thread is a testament to my view being the right one, where awoxxing, heretofore a staple of highsec griefers, has been essentially exorcised from the game. Perhaps it is you who cannot accept the nature of Eve?
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#131 - 2015-02-02 02:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Veers Belvar wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin

wrote:
The reality is that you're the one that can't accept the nature of Eve.


And yet this thread is a testament to my view being the right one, where awoxxing, heretofore a staple of highsec griefers, has been essentially exorcised from the game. Perhaps it is you who cannot accept the nature of Eve?
What will make awoxing effectively dead in its current form is the new mechanic is A: The default and B: With a zero penalty it's a no brainer, you just never touch it.

I can't speak for others but it's the zero penalty that concerns me more than the actual switch, it effectively ensures that everyone will use it; the fact that it's a no brainer, because of the lack of any penalty, and the default setting AFAIK, is unbalanced.

I fully expect to see the tears flow from the people who this change benefits, whether it be from accidentally hot-dropping Concord on themselves, wardecs, an increase in suicide ganking, or would be awoxers finding new and interesting ways to kill them while in corp, etc.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2015-02-02 02:47:43 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


Well veers, I suppose you have me there. I damn sure am sad to see it go this way. It was a great game that did things to set itself apart from the rest.

I like EVE because losses matter, mistakes are paid for, and lessons are harshly learned. You can call me crying if you like, it doesn't matter, because your just a random dude trolling who I honestly think could care less about the garbage he posts. You know how I know this? Because even the craziest fecal wall-rubbers and self mutilators are open to discussion of counterpoints. You, on the other hand, argue with literally everything that is posted.

Bad troll is bad. Go away Veers. We like Lucas Kell better.


Honestly dude, go to nullsec. There is no reason your gameplay should depend on blowing up pathetic highsec pve victims.

I absolutely believe everything I post...and the reason I lack any doubts is that what I post is objectively true, and therefore no meaningful counterarguments are even theoretically possible. You, like code, prefer loserish and easy to beat opponents. When faced with elite forum PvP, you are without answer. Wishing for Lucas Kell or Dinsdale will not rescue you from reality.


I don't live in highsec. I don't fight in highsec.

Your post is fail, because you didn't look up a zkill page before posting. If you were an epic forum warfare specialist, you would have done that.

I, unlike you, know that nerfs in highsec affect the entire game. Its turning into a theme park. You are helping to destroy EVE. Congrats.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#133 - 2015-02-02 03:00:45 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


I don't live in highsec. I don't fight in highsec.

Your post is fail, because you didn't look up a zkill page before posting. If you were an epic forum warfare specialist, you would have done that.

I, unlike you, know that nerfs in highsec affect the entire game. Its turning into a theme park. You are helping to destroy EVE. Congrats.


No point in looking up zkill. You could have 20 code alts for all I know...alts make actually identifying people impossible.

Whether or not highsec becomes a "them park" (which, for the record, I oppose), has nothing to do with life in low/null/wh. Find other battles to fight.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#134 - 2015-02-02 03:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Veers Belvar wrote:
No point in looking up zkill. You could have 20 code alts for all I know...alts make actually identifying people impossible.
Give up, Dinsdale is so much more accomplished at this sort of thing than you could ever hope to be, he's also funnier.
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Whether or not highsec becomes a "them park" (which, for the record, I oppose)
Demonstrably untrue.
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has nothing to do with life in low/null/wh.
It has everything to do with life in low/null and w/space. Hisec is not a disconnected shard, it has just as much effect on the other areas as space as they do on it. If it was a disconnected shard, the game would be broken, and probably have died before it got out of beta.
Quote:
Find other battles to fight.
Take your own advice.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Quanah Comanche
#135 - 2015-02-02 03:47:27 UTC
So this Veers newb and his ilk are the future of EVE I guess.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2015-02-02 04:05:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


I don't live in highsec. I don't fight in highsec.

Your post is fail, because you didn't look up a zkill page before posting. If you were an epic forum warfare specialist, you would have done that.

I, unlike you, know that nerfs in highsec affect the entire game. Its turning into a theme park. You are helping to destroy EVE. Congrats.


No point in looking up zkill. You could have 20 code alts for all I know...alts make actually identifying people impossible.

Whether or not highsec becomes a "them park" (which, for the record, I oppose), has nothing to do with life in low/null/wh. Find other battles to fight.


I have no code alts, and on the rare occasion I fancy a gank, I use leto. Again, a zkill check would confirm that.

Isk earned in highsec devalues ISK earned elsewhere, so yes, it affects the whole game greatly. Its simple understand of inflation. The more liquid ISK, the less its worth.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#137 - 2015-02-02 04:07:04 UTC
Quanah Comanche wrote:
So this Veers newb and his ilk are the future of EVE I guess.


Looks that way.

Hopefully star citizen won't destroy itself like EVE is trying to.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#138 - 2015-02-02 04:15:25 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Honestly dude, go to nullsec. There is no reason your gameplay should depend on blowing up pathetic highsec pve victims.


No.

Also, nullsec is boring. Packs of feral instaceptors roam the wastes, devouring all that they see.

Veers Belvar wrote:
I absolutely believe everything I post..


We already know you are in the 'special needs' category. You don't have to tell us, you know.

Veers Belvar wrote:
.....and the reason I lack any doubts is that what I post is objectively true, and therefore no meaningful counterarguments are even theoretically possible.


I told you that we already know you are an uneducated poltroon. Further proof on your part is not required. WE BELIEVE YOU.

Veers Belvar wrote:
inane drivel


Blah blah blah.

Here's the reality. You are such a poor player you won't fight, and abuse game mechanics to avoid fighting. In a PVP game. In one of the most notorious PVP games of all time.

Also, you still can't stop CODE, or any ganks in general. I bet that burns, huh? Oh, and the few effective folks who were able to stop CODE fleets either defected or left in disgust, citing you as one of the primary reasons.

How about that?

Cool

Hisec isn't safe, and isn't supposed to be, and according to the devs never will be. Deal with it.

One wonders why you simply don't leave and go play Star Trek Online. It seems to be your speed. and when it comes out, you can go play Star Citizen!! Won't that be fun?

*pinches Veers cheeks, pats him on the head, and tucks him in with his moogie bear*

Now take your nap like a good boy and if you are nice when you wake up we'll get Cannibal Kane to tell you a story.

Roll


Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#139 - 2015-02-02 04:21:25 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Honestly dude, go to nullsec. There is no reason your gameplay should depend on blowing up pathetic highsec pve victims.


No.

Also, nullsec is boring. Packs of feral instaceptors roam the wastes, devouring all that they see.

Veers Belvar wrote:
I absolutely believe everything I post..


We already know you are in the 'special needs' category. You don't have to tell us, you know.

Veers Belvar wrote:
.....and the reason I lack any doubts is that what I post is objectively true, and therefore no meaningful counterarguments are even theoretically possible.


I told you that we already know you are an uneducated poltroon. Further proof on your part is not required. WE BELIEVE YOU.

Veers Belvar wrote:
inane drivel


Blah blah blah.

Here's the reality. You are such a poor player you won't fight, and abuse game mechanics to avoid fighting. In a PVP game. In one of the most notorious PVP games of all time.

Also, you still can't stop CODE, or any ganks in general. I bet that burns, huh? Oh, and the few effective folks who were able to stop CODE fleets either defected or left in disgust, citing you as one of the primary reasons.

How about that?

Cool

Hisec isn't safe, and isn't supposed to be, and according to the devs never will be. Deal with it.

One wonders why you simply don't leave and go play Star Trek Online. It seems to be your speed. and when it comes out, you can go play Star Citizen!! Won't that be fun?

*pinches Veers cheeks, pats him on the head, and tucks him in with his moogie bear*

Now take your nap like a good boy and if you are nice when you wake up we'll get Cannibal Kane to tell you a story.

Roll




Ha!

That was a load of bollocks. Highsec is perfectly safe for me, as my elite playstyle is immune to the code theatrics. I can happily make isk at my leisure, completely unaffected by the code griefers. Now THAT is what burns you guys up, but all the whining in the world won't change it.

And from what I can tell highsec is moving much more in my direction, as can be seen from the legion of ganker and awoxxer crocodile tears on this thread. Perhaps it is you who needs to start looking for a new game? Maybe World of Tanks? Now there is a real PvP game for you. Or maybe Pacman?
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#140 - 2015-02-02 05:10:56 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
*reads stuff*

Ok, so far as I can see after the patch the Friendly Fire Switch will be ON as default. This means CEO's, etc, will actually have to go in and flip the switch to OFF.

*looks at the average idiot hisec CEO*

Carry on, nothing to worry about here.

Bear

Hell, I ran into a 6 year old character yesterday who still thought all you had to do to awox somebody was to get into a fleet with them........

tldr; the smart ones will (or will not...) use The Switch....the dumb ones won't even know it's there......




Devs said on the FF Thread in Test Server Forum that its on default for EXISTING corps but......... but....

NEW CORPS GET THE FRIENSLY FIRE TURNED OFF BY DEFAULT
Just incase they foregt to make their corp safe and bear friendly, ccp is setting new corps to auto No Fire

Wtf ccp? 2 different Default Constructors? L2Program dudez