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End of the Awoxer? Is eve getting too soft?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#581 - 2015-02-25 05:15:08 UTC
I don't really see a difference. Both "solutions" addressed the problem in a non-absolute way by shifting the curve, as opposed to eliminating the curve entirely. In both cases, it became harder to do something, though not outright impossible. And in both cases, it still falls on the potential victims to ensure their security, which, once again in both cases, requires understanding of game mechanics.

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jurgen b
Papal Zouaves
#582 - 2015-02-25 11:32:29 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
You are the ones complaining because they jump to npc corps and you cant wardec them, and force them to the pvp that you want, when these corps disband that you complain about they are obviously worthless corps that you chose to wardec, you dont wardec for a good fight you wardec for easy targets, maybe you should start wardeccing pvp corps and actually go and figjt them instead of waiting for a defencless ship to cross your path, i mean your actually complaining that an industrial corp wont fight you, it sounds rather lame
This.

Wardeccers choose the targets they do for easy points on a killboard and complain when people evade them, while there are plenty of people that would willingly fight back. This is no different from an industry corp taking the easy and cheap way out of a wardec. Want the target to react differently? Pick a different target.




i must say it are often miners and indy corps that hire Merc's to war dec eachother Lol
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#583 - 2015-02-25 13:24:32 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I mean, we've all heard the arguments with regard to barge and hauler stats a few years ago, and how arguments were made that once they have six-figure EHPs, everything would be fine and dandy. And yet, there's more anti-gank whining today than at any point in the past. So I'm just making sure this time.


That's a different issue. Adding ehp is of little use when the gankers can just commit more bodies to get the job done. The problem there is lack of consequences for engaging in criminal activity, and making it marginally harder to pull off is no great remedy. Here the problem is an absurd mechanic that exposes you to concord free pvp just by dint of joining a player corp, and the solution was quite rightly to disable that, and make it so that even minimally educated consumers can safely join a corp.



They didn't disable anything. They added a false sense of security which in turn made AWOXing easier. Stupid will always lose to smart and that's just a fact of life. Your inability to see all the elegant solutions to the new mechanic is a prime example of the previous statement.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#584 - 2015-02-25 14:50:02 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
wisdom



Bear

Pirate

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#585 - 2015-02-26 05:22:41 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I don't really see a difference. Both "solutions" addressed the problem in a non-absolute way by shifting the curve, as opposed to eliminating the curve entirely. In both cases, it became harder to do something, though not outright impossible. And in both cases, it still falls on the potential victims to ensure their security, which, once again in both cases, requires understanding of game mechanics.


You really don't see the difference? If you are in a corp with awoxxing off it is impossible to get awoxxed. It is never impossible to suicide gank someone.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#586 - 2015-02-26 05:28:28 UTC
I thought Awoxing was the art of infiltrating a corp and stealing everything, sometimes the corp itself?

and Safari was the act of bringing in targets to kill, and Turkey Shooting was the effect of joining a Corp simply to get easy kills?
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#587 - 2015-02-26 15:22:32 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
If you are in a corp with awoxxing off it is impossible to get awoxxed..



Wrong again.

As usual.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#588 - 2015-02-26 16:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Veers Belvar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I don't really see a difference. Both "solutions" addressed the problem in a non-absolute way by shifting the curve, as opposed to eliminating the curve entirely. In both cases, it became harder to do something, though not outright impossible. And in both cases, it still falls on the potential victims to ensure their security, which, once again in both cases, requires understanding of game mechanics.


You really don't see the difference? If you are in a corp with awoxxing off it is impossible to get awoxxed. It is never impossible to suicide gank someone.



Impossible...the word only used by people who have no critical or lateral thinking skills. In other words, dumb people only see what is easy to see and believe what they are told.
Lennox Dantes
The Tyde
#589 - 2015-02-27 00:48:18 UTC
Eve has been getting too soft for years now. It all started with the change to Jet Can Flagging and now this game is more closely resembling a theme park every day.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#590 - 2015-02-27 03:00:58 UTC
Lennox Dantes wrote:
Eve has been getting too soft for years now. It all started with the change to Jet Can Flagging and now this game is more closely resembling a theme park every day.

I'd say that the Privateer nerf is when things started going downhill. Until that point, CCP was a hardcore sandbox defender. If anything, can-flagging actually created an interesting game mechanic, as opposed to making the game more soft. It's the more recent suspect flag that was a total throwback for the carebear population, although as always, it didn't end up working in their favor like they all expected.

There simply aren't that many white knights in the game. Who knew?

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#591 - 2015-02-27 09:02:00 UTC
you only think its getting too soft because ccp make it harder for you to "get easy kills" from the weaker players, if anything its getting harder because you have to actually think about your actions instead of just running and gunning everything.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#592 - 2015-02-27 09:21:05 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
you only think its getting too soft because ccp make it harder for you to "get easy kills" from the weaker players, if anything its getting harder because you have to actually think about your actions instead of just running and gunning everything.

EVE is (was?) an open system. The ease of killing others is up to the players, and not systematic. You're relying on that age-old fallacy to justify your viewpoint, but it doesn't hold up when you actually consider what EVE is supposed to be. Making getting kills against certain players harder, no matter what the demographic in question is, isn't balancing, but an artificial handicap. Handicapping players in a sandbox is a bit silly, because players choose whether to be weak or not. This isn't like WoW, where being even a single level below the level cap makes you effectively useless in a fight against a level-capped character, and they need to segregate their pvp system into level-based tiers.

Here, you're basically saying "oh, you choose to be a cowardly, passive player who treats EVE like a single player game? Here, have some bonuses." So yes, when CCP enforces that sentiment, EVE is indeed getting softer, and we're not just thinking that. You'd be much more respectable if you instead said that "EVE is getting softer, but that's a good thing," as opposed to pretending that these sorts of changes aren't actually happening. At least honesty can be respected, if disagreed with.

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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#593 - 2015-02-27 13:54:20 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:


There simply aren't that many white knights in the game. Who knew?


Anyone who played Ultima Online, and probably the text-based MUDs before, would know what a small (and usually obnoxious) minority white knights are in the MMO world.
Davir Sometaww
Spooks On Pings
SE7EN-SINS
#594 - 2015-03-01 23:35:50 UTC
This sums up the situation:

Jan Koxsos Kopecky • 13 days ago

"Hi dawgs mah name is badass, I specialize in shooting pilots that were autopiloting, mining or in whatever other form AFK. I have my super badass T3 proteus for maximum melee damage and mobility.

I AM THE ELITE PVP KING AND I WIN IN THIS GAME ALL THE TIME. I am also the best of the best cause I never die, not even 10 AFK mackinaws could take me on.

This change breaks EVE, since it will no longer enable me to boost my ego through shooting month old players in noob friendly corporations without any kind of retaliation.

CCP just cannot handle my mad ninja skills and I will protest and cry about this change as much as possible rather than go doing something that would require actual skills."
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#595 - 2015-03-02 01:24:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Davir Sometaww wrote:
This sums up the situation:

Jan Koxsos Kopecky • 13 days ago

"Hi dawgs mah name is badass, I specialize in shooting pilots that were autopiloting, mining or in whatever other form AFK. I have my super badass T3 proteus for maximum melee damage and mobility.

I AM THE ELITE PVP KING AND I WIN IN THIS GAME ALL THE TIME. I am also the best of the best cause I never die, not even 10 AFK mackinaws could take me on.

This change breaks EVE, since it will no longer enable me to boost my ego through shooting month old players in noob friendly corporations without any kind of retaliation.

CCP just cannot handle my mad ninja skills and I will protest and cry about this change as much as possible rather than go doing something that would require actual skills."



Yeah, nothing says badass like being a F1 monkey...


Are you elite?
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#596 - 2015-03-02 02:55:07 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
I thought Awoxing was the art of infiltrating a corp and stealing everything, sometimes the corp itself?

and Safari was the act of bringing in targets to kill, and Turkey Shooting was the effect of joining a Corp simply to get easy kills?


no that's theft.
AWOX is the art of infiltrating to kill as many people as possible with 0 concord response. The carebear side of ganking if you will as most of the time there is 0 lost, while the suicide ganker is 100% loss that's nothing more than a write off and not accounted for

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#597 - 2015-03-02 04:36:30 UTC
Davir Sometaww wrote:
This sums up the situation:

Jan Koxsos Kopecky • 13 days ago

"Hi dawgs mah name is badass, I specialize in shooting pilots that were autopiloting, mining or in whatever other form AFK. I have my super badass T3 proteus for maximum melee damage and mobility.

I AM THE ELITE PVP KING AND I WIN IN THIS GAME ALL THE TIME. I am also the best of the best cause I never die, not even 10 AFK mackinaws could take me on.

This change breaks EVE, since it will no longer enable me to boost my ego through shooting month old players in noob friendly corporations without any kind of retaliation.

CCP just cannot handle my mad ninja skills and I will protest and cry about this change as much as possible rather than go doing something that would require actual skills."

Well, I guess it's a really good thing that no one has actually said anything of the sort, making your usage of quotation marks highly suspect. But judging by your pleb-tier like count and no-name corporation, I'm guessing you're new around these parts, so I guess some lenience is in order.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Lettie Slapdash
S.O.E Strike Force
#598 - 2015-03-05 16:02:43 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
The default for new corps is anti touching with no fee for zero risk.

Want To Trade Hyperdunking for Safaris please


cry more, i love watching pvp pilots cry when they cant kill new players with no risk anymore

aww

u mad bro?
Lettie Slapdash
S.O.E Strike Force
#599 - 2015-03-05 16:03:49 UTC
Davir Sometaww wrote:
This sums up the situation:

Jan Koxsos Kopecky • 13 days ago

"Hi dawgs mah name is badass, I specialize in shooting pilots that were autopiloting, mining or in whatever other form AFK. I have my super badass T3 proteus for maximum melee damage and mobility.

I AM THE ELITE PVP KING AND I WIN IN THIS GAME ALL THE TIME. I am also the best of the best cause I never die, not even 10 AFK mackinaws could take me on.

This change breaks EVE, since it will no longer enable me to boost my ego through shooting month old players in noob friendly corporations without any kind of retaliation.

CCP just cannot handle my mad ninja skills and I will protest and cry about this change as much as possible rather than go doing something that would require actual skills."


Man you hit the nail on the head

Pissed myself laughing
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#600 - 2015-03-05 17:58:49 UTC

Lettie Slapdash wrote:
Shailagh wrote:
The default for new corps is anti touching with no fee for zero risk.

Want To Trade Hyperdunking for Safaris please


cry more, i love watching pvp pilots cry when they cant kill new players with no risk anymore

aww

u mad bro?


Risk implies that there is a chance of not incurring a loss. Last I checked CONCORD always succeeds in a kill.

Risk is what we had prior to the switch. There was the risk that the corp turns on the awoxer and destroys their ship. This risk has now been escalated to the certainty of losing your ship. I'm still waiting to see a cogent argument in favor of this change.

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