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Reply to CCP minutes - Drones already have a disadvantage
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Blavish
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2015-01-28 16:05:35 UTC
According to the CCP minutes drones might have a reload timer similar to guns.
The thing about drones is they already have a disadvantage from guns because they first have to return from the target if you want to swap them, then they have to return back to the target you want attacked.

This is of course different with sentries but lights-heavy drones would be very bad if you have to wait for them to return and then wait for a reload before you can swap drones.

Bad idea
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2015-01-28 16:24:57 UTC
Let's see...

- Drones ignore most instructions.
- They target whoever they want.
- They attack whenever they feel like.
- They switch targets at random
- They wander off on their own (to mate, maybe?).

Having them reload is the least of the things that need looking at.

Mr Epeen Cool
Skyla Braveheart
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-28 16:30:27 UTC
yeah..i was trying to rat last night, and my drones were suddenly just..stopping. not attacking until i ordered them to -again- needless to say..the rats out tanked them because they kept stopping..i didnt have this problem before..only last night..i dont know if something changed or what..but..its bad..ratting with drones is how i make money so far..and now i cant :/
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#4 - 2015-01-28 16:52:24 UTC
If they do to the drones what they did to rapid light missile launchers then that one change alone just nuked every drone boat in the fleet.


There needs to be a boon for such a thing, something to justify some "prep time" needed to launch drones.

How about giving drones module and rig slots and let us change out the ammo? I can see a whole new world of drone modules and rigs open up; smaller versions of the small modules and rigs perhaps.

If they just go "hurrrr durrr nerf ze drones put in arbitrary wait time hurrr durrr" I might start thinking CCP got hold of some really rotten (or maybe not rotten enough) Harkarl.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Hibernator X
Standing Wave Society
#5 - 2015-01-28 18:01:49 UTC
I don't understand why they can't see that the issue is with the bonuses on drone ships and how they scale with large drones on cruisers... The problem does not lie with the drones themselves.
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#6 - 2015-01-28 18:22:59 UTC
Skyla Braveheart wrote:
yeah..i was trying to rat last night, and my drones were suddenly just..stopping. not attacking until i ordered them to -again- needless to say..the rats out tanked them because they kept stopping..i didnt have this problem before..only last night..i dont know if something changed or what..but..its bad..ratting with drones is how i make money so far..and now i cant :/


Interesting as I was having the exact same problem. 5x350mm rails should not out-dps 5 sentries on a drone boat, yet that's what was happening.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-01-28 18:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Desimus Maximus
Skyla Braveheart wrote:
yeah..i was trying to rat last night, and my drones were suddenly just..stopping. not attacking until i ordered them to -again- needless to say..the rats out tanked them because they kept stopping..i didnt have this problem before..only last night..i dont know if something changed or what..but..its bad..ratting with drones is how i make money so far..and now i cant :/


Sounds like D-rectile dysfunction to me.

And btw ratting with drones is how 95% of capsuleers make their money.

AND.. And.. and..... Nerf the Ishtar drone bay ffs. I'd luv to know where all those large drones are being stored on a CRUISER.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#8 - 2015-01-28 18:37:12 UTC
12 years and CCP still can't get drones right.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2015-01-28 18:52:30 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
12 years and CCP still can't get drones right.


At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#10 - 2015-01-28 18:59:55 UTC
I guess it depends on what exactly they're trying to do with whatever reload mechanic they're thinking about. I will say right now PvE drone aggro is meaningless when it comes to sentries unless you're AFK. You just pull them in and re-deploy when they take fire.

I'd be fine with that getting nerfed and making drones more of a target if logi was easier to use on them.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#11 - 2015-01-28 19:38:09 UTC
Step 1: Make Large/Sentry drones a Battleship weapon
Step 2: Stop giving cruisers huge drone bays
Step 3: Profit


Reload time is O.K. I suppose, lost a Worm to a Stratios yesterday which was partly from poor cap management and party from his ability to spend 5 minutes switching drones while I whittled away at them. Though I still think a reload timer makes very little sense given the current use of drones which is to have very fast cruisers belting out Battleship DPS while kiting.

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-01-28 22:06:37 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
12 years and CCP still can't get drones right.


At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be.
So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?

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ashley Eoner
#13 - 2015-01-28 22:10:27 UTC
Hicksimus wrote:
Step 1: Make Large/Sentry drones a Battleship weapon
Step 2: Stop giving cruisers huge drone bays
Step 3: Profit


Reload time is O.K. I suppose, lost a Worm to a Stratios yesterday which was partly from poor cap management and party from his ability to spend 5 minutes switching drones while I whittled away at them. Though I still think a reload timer makes very little sense given the current use of drones which is to have very fast cruisers belting out Battleship DPS while kiting.

You know I can share a dozen or more builds involving cruisers belching out battleship level DPS without even using drones.


I don't get why they are trying to balance drones around one ship thus breaking drones for every other ship instead of just re-balancing that ship.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-01-29 00:21:23 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
12 years and CCP still can't get drones right.


At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be.
So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?


You need to improve your cat training skills.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2015-01-29 00:24:35 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be.
So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?


More like attack your feet, your friends feet, your mothers feet, each other, the wall, the curtains, the couch, the spot where the sun is shining on the rug, the bug on the wall, the pull string for the ceiling fan, the newspaper... pretty much everything else but the one thing theyre told or allowed to attack.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-01-29 00:27:53 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be.
So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?


More like attack your feet, your friends feet, your mothers feet, each other, the wall, the curtains, the couch, the spot where the sun is shining on the rug, the bug on the wall, the pull string for the ceiling fan, the newspaper... pretty much everything else but the one thing theyre told or allowed to attack.


And I thought the last guy was bad.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-01-29 00:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be.
So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?


More like attack your feet, your friends feet, your mothers feet, each other, the wall, the curtains, the couch, the spot where the sun is shining on the rug, the bug on the wall, the pull string for the ceiling fan, the newspaper... pretty much everything else but the one thing theyre told or allowed to attack.


And I thought the last guy was bad.
Dogs treat their owners like gods, cats remember when they were gods and owned slaves.

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Mackenzie Nolen
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-01-29 00:43:21 UTC
I dunno... I quite enjoy drone users mocking missile users for their zero-skill weapon choice despite drones requiring even less skill. The glitches just are kind of... karma. Don't you think?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2015-01-29 03:26:45 UTC
Drones are a scourge. They apply damage effectively, but they're no better than bombs, mines, and defender missiles.

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Serene Repose
#20 - 2015-01-29 04:14:06 UTC
Funny. I guess drones do all this stuff if you don't control them. I guess folks let their drones out, set their expectations high, then harvest disappointment and frustration. If you had a pack of hunting dogs and you let them loose expecting them to bring back nothing but the silver mink, you'd be saying the same thing.

I've never had this experience with drones. But, then, I control mine, like I control my dogs. I train my dogs - highly. I command my dogs. I don't allow them to "think" for themselves. I'm the superior species. I do the thinking. Just so, I don't allow my drones to think for themselves. I tell them when and what to attack, one attack at a time. I whistle them in. They come. What's the problem again?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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