EVE General Discussion

So all the OP does is to replace the killboard stats with his wallet stats and then he thinks that creates meaning? Meanwhile he dismisses organizations who actually fight for a cause because they don't care about his preferred stat, the ISK wallet.

It seems to me that what creates meaning in RL is that resources run out, precious reserves must be protected. Food, fuel, womenfolk and so on. You need it and it's worth stealing, therefore worth protecting.

In Eve, none of that matters. Asteroids, sleepers, pirates, moon goo, gas - it all just grows infinitely everywhere. You can't die, can't even lose skill points any more. It's impossible to fail. There is no meaning.

Under those conditions, it turns out that people either express psychopathic tendencies, doing just enough PVE to pay for their mistakes in PVP - or people become avaricious hoarders. Ultra-rich cerebears who aspire to nothing more than an officer-fitted marauder, who see PVPers as nothing more than an annoying impediment to their gain.

It turns out that I'm one of the former, but I'd like to see more "meaningful" realism. Some ideas:

1. resources that really do run out, therefore the requirement to discover new solar systems and build/protect trade routes.
2. ships that consume fuel and food, even when docked - they have crew after all!
3. the requirement to be supported by industrialists, just to keep flying (or stay alive)
4. Why not create a mini-game of farming on planets that people can play on the iPad? they could sell their food to capsuleers and buy supplies from them. Now there's an economy of survival, something to protect, something to steal or control. A real market.

and so on.

Necessity is the mother of motivation.

I hear you, but limiting the amount of space one could hold would be like price controls in a market - that never ends well. Market economies work because there is a cost to managing and holding assets - requiring the asset holders to put their assets to work. That and the fact that without work being done, everyone would die!

We have a bit of this in 0.0 - sov holders rent their space out and so on. But sov holders have no incentive to expand other than merely liking the idea of being bigger.

If their food and materials started to run out, forcing them to raid other systems, then you'd see war on a galactic scale - and we'd all see more meaning in the combat.

Yeah, because I said something even remotely like that?

I kill ships because they are either helpless and have awesome loot (exploration, missioners, haulers) or they are PvP ships that drop tech 2 modules. Thus, killing some random guy in low sec will net me a 4-30 mil profit on typical fits.

Code essentially represents the terrorists of EvE. But don't think they lack motives - yes some seek to bring about chaos, others might have more pointed goals that are subtle (Hulkageddon, Ice interdiction, etc). But one thing I will tell you is that often times the person targeted for terrorism has painted that target on themselves. A person seeks to haul 9 billion isk in a freighter, this is picked up by a scout who reports it over. After all calculations are done - whelping 30 thrashers or catalysts onto the freighter is profitable.

except if you alpha a few catalysts off the field, they might lose enough dps for gank to fail

Leave things as they are.

Nothing gives me laughs like someone talking about their stats and when you look its all MTU, Mining and cargo ships.

Humans are competitive by nature, everyone competes, often subconsciously. Removing kb states wn;t really do anything. Players will just make up there own stats.

We are immortal gods, what do you think we would do to eachother? Some who would be cloned would be dicks, and would want to rampage and kill because they can. This is not immersion breaking, and if you think it is, then your a bit nutty. I'm a captain, i can;t be killed. i know you can;t be killed. I also know that if i blow up you ship i could hurt you. I could make your life harder, i could make you get ultra pissed and yell at me. Thats a conflict driver, its called fun. I can have a demented soiciopathic pleasure at watching your pod go boom. There would be people that in new eden, people who slipped past the physc exam and just went hog wild. What is immersion breaking, is the fact that the empires let criminals clone there. like an enimy of amar can still clone in amar. That makes no logical sense. In Templar one, one of the char had to run, because if he died the federation would arrest him, after they had already killed all his clones except one.

If you want to add meaning, then standings should make things harder, your a criminal? then you can only clone into ls or 0.0. Because the empire will want to catch you. But meh i'm rambling

The other issue with trying to do anything about it is that it's incredibly difficult to bring them to a fight. They have the ability to attack when and where it best suits them. Unless you want to take the security hit yourself and be killed by conchord you can't stop their scouts or bumpers. It's fighting against gurellia war with absolutely no organization on your side. Fleeting up once, the most we were able to do was to get on a killmail and, hey I made ISK from their bounties. They still managed to kill the idiot freighter pilots flying AFK.

I mean, I hope they keep going, as I said before, nothing else happens in High Sec and mining is boring.

I've always liked CODE. because they threw in a dose of role-playing with an extortion racket. It's Eve Online "well played".

Look at the KB of a player by the name of Liek Darz (I might be misspelling that) or a Plasma Death and you'll see that many of the ships they destroyed were wide open for it, the kind of fits that make me afraid to play with passive targeters and ship scanners lest I feel a need to put some ships out of their misery myself.
(And I should know such a fitting because I come from the factory )