EVE General Discussion

You realise training a web alt in an hour was a tactic to counter ganking right?

It wasn't what gankers can do. It's what any hauler can do and in one simple process, avoid a large part of the risk they face.

Why feel sorry? People are doing it for fun, to have something to do, and sometimes those we try to save block us ignore us and just don't do what they need to do to be saved, but we just shrug and get on with it. Sometimes we get rewarded by people we have saved. Lets just say we have fun at times and we win some and lose quite a few, well thats because the Gankers are very well organised, very good at what they do and know the mechanics inside out.

I have actually done some low level ganking on another toon, but I have been observing CODE and Goon gankers for some time and know most of the mechanics, their tactical appreciation is very very good.

From what I have seen of the AG attempts to educate they focus on people using webbers and not auto-piloting, there are a few other things but thats not for me to say, I just participate. Globby for example recently convo'd one AG player because he was seriously getting in his way.

Most Anti-Gankers I know accept that CCP have allowed Hyperdunking, they also know how easy it is to stop, you just get the odd one now and then, mostly new to the AG movement who go off on it.

And our earlier exchange on another thread was nothing personal on my part, just doing what Kaarous and others do, in fact as posters go I actually like reading your posts.

Thats the spirit!
No white knighting, just do it for your own fun.
Dwelling in null, i would join AG just to anoy the gankers.

See now you are getting it. Gankers make the game much better: more engaging, more exciting, more meaningful.


Elite PvP: http://i.imgur.com/w2bnNBV.png

What is hilarious is that your precious "titan-kills" amount to peanuts against the might of the CODE. killboard.

And if you filter out the killboard inflation that people like you partake in (titan kills, sure), CODE. is even more elite: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-kills-of-2014-overview_14.html

Those my friend, are some serious results.


Miner, calm down: your 'caps lock' key seems stuck.

Elite PvP is beating other players. By that metric, CODE. is the most elite PvP organization in all of Eve right now. They routinely destroy and steal the more assets than the biggest nullsec alliances and with just a fraction of the number of pilots.

Saying that you are "elite" doesn't make it so I am afraid. You need to show some results.

CODE. shows results.


The mechanics are the mechanics. Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you aren't competent enough to play the game with the agreed upon rules, you probably should stop playing the game instead of about whining how the game isn't "fair". Anything else doesn't really seem like it would be fun.


Ah yes, one of CODE.'s greatest PR victories. Not only did they win the tournament without losing a ship (well I guess they lost some catalysts), they made history by being the only alliance ever banned from the tournament - a punishment even confirmed cheaters never received. All anyone was talking about was CODE. this and CODE. that: seems like they got what they wanted.

But you are just dragging this thread off topic. We all already know the Code always wins, so perhaps we can stop discussing how great they are and get back to the topic at hand, which is hyperdunking?

I am just enjoying some light Saturday-morning trolling of La Rynx.

Lighten up and try to have to some fun. Eve is a just game we all play for entertainment after all.

So what is this argument really about? It's elite PvP of course, and at the same time, it's not so elite. It depends on your perspective. You probably aren't to agree on it, so why not go bash your head against a wall instead? It might be more productive

While I understand that 'hyperdunking' doesn't break the rules - which alone is fine - the fact that it can be done shows that the crimewatch system doesn't exactly do what it should. Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. CONCORD should be at least forceful enough to say "You misused your ship so we're taking it from you by force, and any other ship you bring out in the next little while that might try the same criminal activity" ... kinda like how people get arrested and then put in jail for at least a little while and not just immediately released.

How effective is a police force that responds to drunk driving by just taking the beer you have on you at the time, says "I've got my eye on you" and then leaves you alone until you mess up again ..?

The real issue is risk vs reward. For hisec grankers the risk[cost] is very low while potential rewards are very high. Within the grand scheme of EVE and its philosophy of risk vs reward there is too much favour for the gankers in hisec; it doesn't cost much ISK or Time or even Complexity to significantly multiply their investment.

On top of that, the legal penalty or cost for a life devoted to crime within civilized society is extremely low. The loss of security status is irrelevant when people can just buy those tags to repair their security status. People who want to be good with the forces of law and order have to grind missions, but serial murderers and thieves can just buy their way back in to civilized society where they'll almost certainly commit crimes again? It's just.. all wrong

I understand and actually appreciate the reality, but EVE is supposed to be all about risk/cost vs reward and criminals should have to really play that harsh game along with the haulers and wormhole corps and sov alliances.

Then, as you believe changes are needed, please link at least a week worth of suicide ganking kills to show that you actually have an idea what you are talking about. Thanks!

If that's the case then carry on, fun is a great reason to do something. It's great to see that you appreciate the organisation and skills of your opponents too, something that others, including CODE. pilots sometimes fail to do. I don't doubt that you know most of the mechanics, I was thinking more of the nuances and wrinkles that CODE. are more au fait with.

Unfortunately that education often falls on barren ground, some players just don't want to accept that they sometimes have to put effort into what is often a boring activity.

It's good to see that you are having an effect on the sandbox by sometimes getting in the way though.

I retract my earlier sorrow for anti gankers in general and instead reserve it for those few who can't accept that hyperdunking is allowed and kick off about it at every opportunity.

Likewise on the nothing personal, I can be rather blunt and unapologetic, which often comes across the wrong way. It's why I phrased the post the way I did with reference to meta game and forum animosities.

@La Rynx, regardless of how you feel about what CODE. do, they are very good at it, adept is a fitting word to use.
adept
adjective
əˈdɛpt,ˈadɛpt/
1.
very skilled or proficient at something.
synonyms: expert, proficient, accomplished, skilful, talented, gifted, masterly, virtuoso, consummate, peerless.

noun
ˈadɛpt/
1.
a person who is skilled or proficient at something.