EVE General Discussion

At some point this game attracted bottom-feeders who live from boosting their egos. Making it work to achieve anything would bring back the former glory of the past, compared to all the idiots we have now who only care about themselves.

We need less sheep and more creative, actually thinking people. Nerfing the easymode gameplay will lower subs, but increase quality again.

Like MCT?
Removal of bots?
Nerfing caps, leading to unsubbed accounts?

All things they knew would lower subcount, which they also know isn't the center of the universe.


Your superficial, self centered way of thinking is nothing anyone shouldpay attention to. Your posting history exposes you as liar, hypocrite and borderline psychopath. I will not dignify any of your future posts with responses.

DSTs are neither cloaky nor particularly fast and have a cargohold of 5k.
They do however have built-in warp stabs and a 50k fleet hanger (+5%/level)

They are not going to replace freighters cuz you just can't carry enough bulk.
But damn gotta love that tank

DSTs can consistently pull of the cloak MWD trick which makes them effectively cloaky. They can also fit MJDs and have 80k EHP tanks. A nearly total 70,000 m3 cargo hold at max level is substantial for quite honestly an un-gankable ship.

People are either lazy or oblivious to do what they can do to avoid ganks, such as not putting 10 billion in loot into a fully anti-tanked freighter, and then proceeding to afk in the most populated system in the game.

How can people be that dumb and still breathing?

You can fit a cloak on DST , you can use DST, stabs .
Shield DST can have full tank, full set od stabs and use MJD - it warps fast enough for a potential tacklers to have big issue.

Well, it's a good lesson to learn, especially early on and not when they're carrying 8 billion.

I'd phrase that differently. Overly protective environments breed people who need protection, because they never learned to protect themselves. They never had to. What we see lately is an influx of new players who could never protect themselves and want easy fun. It's getting worse, really.

You are just being silly, again..., the duel is also a way that the anti-gankers have helped people get away, by webbing them, which has been used very well by certain gankers. It is rather more of an issue in not verifying the person that is offering to help, which is panic related.

In reply to Black Pedro:

Flying a freighter is a very boring thing to do as such, however now its a bit of a challenge in terms of whether they make it or not, doing web duty is actually fun and I am often surprised at the lack of people doing it. I do understand that they have a life and that AP'ing an empty freighter is not exactly stupid, but even those get ganked so yes it is in the current environment.

I keep hoping that people will get together and sort out how they do logistics and the laziness is in not working as a team to protect their logistics people and their ships. With the current success level of CODE I would think that they will learn the lesson, but its very slow in sinking in... I rather believe that people who actually do freighter stuff in the main are just too chilled out and passive...

EDIT: I should point out that I have seen freighters get bumped even when being webbed, I did some timing on the speed of certain bumpers and compared it to my own webbing with a twin faction web Loki and found it a bit tight, and that was getting in and getting close to the gate before the freighter jumped. In effect I have to be perfect when it matters.

EDIT 2: Another factor is that industry is done mainly by solo players who have been in the game a long time, they are often in one man corps which is to avoid war decs, so they cannot easily do webbing, that means they use duels which is sub-optimal in my opinion or tie up another toon in that corp and cost them production and make them more evident. In effect they just try to get through and hope they don't get culled.

Much faster than a freighter.


I should also say that if you're getting webbed it should take three or four ticks for you to catch warp consistently. When I tested it, I could get 3 ticks 50% of the time and 4 ticks the other 50%. That's way too quick for any bumping mach to bump you unless it happens to guess your position and is <4km off of you when you decloak.


You know instead of plexing your account, you can get a buddy trial and then apply the plex to him, giving you a free 60 day alt and still plexing your account? It also only takes an hour to get an effective webbing alt.