EVE General Discussion

Phew, I am so glad that this was clarified. And here I was thinking that "Hyperdunking" was what you did at parties when you grab a fistful of corn chips, then stick hand and all into the dip!

You can fit an armor tank on 2 freighter and follow it with Logi. Shield is a different ball game.



Yo also don't even have to kill the bomber yourself.

I don't have a problem with that, you could still counter this new approach if you had the right escorts with your freighter.
It just looks like some of the counters mentioned in this thread seem ineffective now.
Evolution...

What are you going on about? This exactly is what hyperdunking was before if you replace "stealth bomber" with "catalyst". Using an "off-grid alt" to draw CONCORD was always an option and moving CONCORD has never been considered an exploit.

CCP Falcon made it clear that this is an acceptable use of game mechanics because the ganker loses his or her ship after each criminal action as intended. Who is moving CONCORD or what ship they are flying doesn't matter - it's all legit emergent gameplay.

Hyperdunking is trivial to avoid. So spend less time crying about it and more time avoiding it.

Your "solution" assumes there is some sort of problem. Freighters are suppose to be vulnerable in highsec. Other players are suppose to be able to explode them. They are not suppose to be perma-guarded at all times by the invincible, unbeatable space police.

Hyperdunking can easily be countered by introducing a guarding fleetmate sometimes known as a friend. If a freighter was a victim of aggression, that friend won't leave the grid and will destroy the ganker's ships as he boards them thus protecting that ship and stopping the hyperdunk.

Problem solved.

My "solution" will only remove single player hyperdunking.
When someone will use multiple chars to hyperdunk - it will be still viable , but at grater cost.
This "solution" will have almost no impact on organized ganks where 10+ players are involved.

I totally agree about the part about freighter escort.

Yeah, and why should they implement an idea that will not even achieve what it is intended for? I mean there is a pretty obvious workaround.

Ah, space logic, the final refuge of the carebear. So willing to accept a bunch of crazy retconned space lore if it benefits them, but as soon as there is something that puts the absolute safety they crave at risk, it is "illogical".

How does it makes sense at all that the omnipotent space police always arrive after every criminal action, are invulnerable to all weapons, can spawn in infinite numbers, and can disable a ship at a glance? If you want to argue logic, shouldn't the criminal be able to avoid the police, even temporarily? Or fight back against the police if they commit enough ships?

None of it makes sense - it is just a game mechanic. CONCORD is not there to protect you, but to get vengeance for you and impose a cost on the ganker. From the New Pilot FAQ:



You are responsible to protect your freighter, not CONCORD. If you cannot manage the simple task of destroying a single flashy red gank destroyer or bomber, then you are not really doing your job now, are you?

Well you used alt to post this.
There is no excuse for this freighter pilot : https://zkillboard.com/kill/47878667/
Putting so much stuff in a freighter is sick, he deserved to die.

A professional ganker would simply switch to cheap implants. The clone costs are already gone. so it would probably add under one mil to the bill and nerf the damage for ~2%. But you know who would really cry about it? The carebears obviously, all the stupid local heroes who will try to gank my scouts bumping Stabber and loose all their expensive implants in the process because they did not expect to lose their pod.