EVE General Discussion

See here's the thing. I've been here since 2006. (Actually earlier, but details). You know what has stood virtually unchanged since then? Missions. You know what hasn't gone unchanged? Null sec. The biggest problems I have with the argument that you can make too much isk in hi-sec is it is entirely dependent on what is and is not possible in null sec. Put it this way. Why would nerfing hi-sec income in any way change the current dynamics of null sec? The answer is it wouldn't. People leaving null sec still have absolutely zero reason to go back. The only thing nerfing hi-sec accomplishes is making everyone poorer. Now you can argue about how that affects the game for good or ill, but what it won't do is fix anything anywhere else.

Missions haven't changed yet there have been multiple buffs to ships, and the release of new ships like marauders and their bastion mode. These have perhaps not trivialized the content, they certainly allow a player to run them much more quickly and efficiently. Being able to complete a mission in a half or a third of the time than what the developers intended when it was released is a huge buff in ISK/hour. And I won't even mention the introduction of Incursions and their affect on highsec income.

When I log on I find a report that a freighter is caught, so I head over there, the guy was in a Charon, he had an alt webbing it, he was not AFK, yet he was still bumped, they took two goes to kill him because people tried to help him. That in itself blows your AFK smokescreen away. Lets repeat he was not AFK and he had a webber yet he was bumped before he could web his freighter into warp, so much for your think not...

The little explanation about things that make catching people easier is to explain that CCP Falcons words are hollow, he is holding the hands of those that hunt, making it easier and easier for player killers, everyone I know believes this is the case and most of those no longer play, and these were people that played all aspects of the game PvP too. Because you look at hisec only and seem to be blind to other aspects of the game in your Grrr hisec.

People are not in hisec because the ISK ratio is better they are in hisec because its too easy to hunt. in other areas

The freighters are losses to people who are solo or small group players like most people in hisec, the numbers getting destroyed per day has been growing, the systems you mention are always going to be the hotspots due to the fact that other routes are massive deviations. If you trade in Jita and come from Amarr, Gallente or Mimatar space you have to use them.

The POS's, I may not disagree with your feeling on them, however the impact is that suddenly there is a mechanic that when used enables people to attack them without a war dec and it is not an exploit, its a major change and a lot of people are going to get caught out and be very upset, and while I agree turning them off and trusting to Concord is lame in itself the fact that it happened just like that with no real warning is the issue. Try to think a bit deeper on such things, yeah perhaps they deserve it for being complacent and al that, but its a game change.


Baltec, the guy I talk about is in the CFC, thats what he said he does per hour in his efforts to get a Super to be part of your glorious space fleet, why would he lie to me. And in any case location is everything now that jumping has been nerfed so much, I used to operate in Cobalt Edge, I know the impact that had in terms of safety, surely a Goon of your strategic capability is not blind to the benefits of your location. Your biggest threat is BLOP's and people coming through WH's and the occasional poke by BL and we know how risk averse BLOP's players are don't we!

Unless you are ratting as part of the CFC, or are way out in the deep parts of Drone lands you will have a very hard time of it.

Incursions are only run by a sub-set of hisec, and missions for the majority of people are not that great.

Again, this is a lie. CFC ratting losses are quite high.

How is it a lie? Just because you sustain losses doesn't mean the losses of others in crappy null aren't far higher.

Oh and I'd also like to correct this point. You know what adjusts to how quickly missions are done? LP payouts. Thats right, these are averaged and calculated by how people ya know RUN the missions. So given this is true and the payouts have stayed roughly the same, then it would seem that ships having more firepower, more tank, and faster speeds have not changed mission income all that significantly.

You are so full of crap your eyes are brown. BS now warp at 2/3 their previous speed and changes to the warp acceleration means it takes them even longer even if you rig them back to 3au/s

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png

Just because YOU put billions into an ascendency set and nerf your fit to put put warp rigs in doesn't mean there was a "buff" with the changes. You're hilarious.

Also the Drone nerf effects only mission runners and anom runners as Sleepers and Incursion rats already switched targets, they simply applied those mechanics to missions.

The biggest changes CCP ever introduced to missions were the missile changes making torps not be the best choice ever. You know what has had almost no impact on missions? Every other ship change. Marauders are a perfect example. They are completely stupid to use in any lvl 4 mission. Why? They are expensive, and other ships do a better job for cheaper. (My choice is a Navy scorp.) Even the way I fly it is completely overkill for missions and the only reason I use it is because I have a perma active rep on my setup that can handle full room aggro in lvl 4 bonus angel room. You know what also hasn't change since 2006? Game of alts. The reason I specifically use that setup is to make it easier to manage things since I play with two accounts. AND given the fact that all the gankers in this thread are like "use a webber" which in a lot of contexts was also reffered to as an ALT, is a completely legit way to play. My argument stands.

Why? If the very reason they are leaving is because the risk of dying is too high and the risk of dying isn't changed, why would they go back? Seriously, if you can legit tell me why anyone would go back to those places when they left because the risk was too high, and the changes you propose do not in any way shape or form change the risk side of the equation ON EITHER side, WHY would they go back just because their income stream got nerfed?

My mission ship warps at over 8au and warp acceleration does not work they way you think it does.



anom rats didn't used to switch targets. CCP also took the further step of adding frigate rats with tackle to some anoms so that they couldn't be powered through with high DPS battleships as quickly or safely. So, the biggest nerf of this change was to anoms.

So to point out, an 8au mach will earn 90+ mil/hr from level 3 missions in highsec.

And? That is crap isk.