EVE General Discussion

I'm not. What I am pointing out is that given CODE's current targets that they are rather indiscriminate with what they kill. Besides other posts were pointing out that if we offer more protection for things that fits will become less relevant. And my point is that they are barely relevant now. Why should a travel fit not be relevant for an empty freighter?

Relevant is a term of relativity. You think it is not relevant while I do, then again I wouldn't even move a freighter solo, and you would. So we are already at an impasse of what is acceptable and what is not.

Yes, they are rare, but they also happen. The game is risk mitigation.

If you don't want to lose something you properly protect it. I don't want to lose my freighter, so I properly protect it.

You are arguing that you shouldn't have to properly protect things you don't want to lose.

What protection?

The only protection you can rely on is that which you provide or arrange to have provided for you.
Too lazy or too stingy or too greedy to arrange for protection? You deserve to lose your ships.

Sure, you can discuss whatever you want but there are rules to stay on topic in these forums. The ruling we are discussing in this thread was to clear up whether a specific type of ganking was an exploit - that is the unfortunately named hyperdunking - not whether ganking at all is an exploit. It has been made clear several times in the CSM minutes, by CCP Falcon and others from CCP that suicide ganking is an intended game mechanic.

As to your solution, you are of course completely wrong in regards to hyperdunking, the topic of this thread. The whole point that enables hyperdunking is that the ganker continues to board ships and apply damage during the criminal timer. If you added a fatigue-like mechanism, or even increased the criminal timers to two weeks, the criminal would still be able to hyperdunk her target under the current mechanics.


This is the game. If you undock your reasonably loaded, cargo-expanded freighter and press 'Autopilot' you have a 99.5% chance of arriving safely at your destination. If you triple-bulkhead it and do the same you now have a 99.8% chance. If you set up some insta-docks and undocks, and bring a competent scout/webbing escort, you now have a 99.99+%. Of course this risk depends on what you are carrying, what systems you are traveling, and so forth, but you, the freighter pilot, have to decide how much risk you are willing to take and how much effort you are willing to put in to protect your stuff. This is why CCP has explicitly put suicide ganking in the game - to provide the risk that forces real and interesting choices for haulers moving about highsec.

Freighter ganking is already incredibly rare and you are arguing for NPC-based mechanisms that shift the risk even lower at no additional cost or effort for yourself. How does that make the game more interesting at all? The numbers above already make it completely rational to use the unengaging two-buttons 'Undock' and 'Autopilot' to move everything in highsec. Why should active freighter piloting and the use of other hauling ships be further disincentivized by making AFK freighter hauling even safer?

Why do people consider it such a big hassle to get a web or logi friend?

The places you really need escort are the infamous chockepoint systems and their adjacent systems. Just ask one of your corp/alliance mates for 15 minutes of their time to get through there? I don't know, maybe I'm playing EVE wrong, but I frequently have downtime where I can help a corpie. If I'm online and I don't have the time immediately, I can help them when I get back from whatever exploration I'm doing. Do you have to move that cargo right now? If not, see if a corpie can help you whenever he or she is done.

People moving billions in cargo should at the very least have dozens of contacts they can call upon to help them out. Some of them have to be online at any given moment, and at least one isn't doing anything *right now*, or has time in a few minutes.

I honestly don't see how this is a hurdle for anyone.

Logi is likely going to be the way to go in the future for most people as A. as rise has stated CCP believes most corps will be friendly fire off and B. alot of people in NPC corps already can't use webs.

This would obviously change nothing at all specifically for Hyperdunking. For regular ganks it would mean that we probably would train the other two chars on the accounts as gankers too and then switch to reduce the fatigue. This would probably even increase the rate of ganks since it would lead to optimization efforts no one cares about today with the 15min timers. And don't even start with "but make it account wide.." I would subscribe so much accounts that I can gank every 2min..

If you still think that "this one little nerf" will change the game and protect your AFK Freighter then you may study all the past nerfs to ganking and how that eliminated us.

BTW, I only became a ganker because of people like you who cry so hard and who try to make the game EVE currently is into a joke. Because James 315 was actually right when he wrote his Manifesto II !

No, I don't.

Please, enlighten me?

As far as I'm aware aggression works differently for NPC corps than normal cops, aka NPC corps have Friendly Fire turned off already. If you can prove otherwise I'd be interested to know that.