EVE General Discussion

This is how it should be. If you put 10B ISK in a single ship, you are painting yourself with a large bulls-eye as you are now a profitable target for everyone. The amount you can carry safely (that is while being unprofitable to gank) is determined by your EHP, and if you stay under that you are much safer from gankers. So no, 10B will make you a target in any case, but 1B? A triple-bulkhead freighter is unprofitable to gank with only 1B in cargo (at least for a fleet of typical size) while a triple-cargo expander is profitable.

While nothing can guarantee your safety in New Eden (as the developers have intended) there is much merit in making yourself an unattractive target by making yourself unprofitable to gank. How you fit your ship, and what you choose to carry determines this, and is completely in the freighter pilot's hands. If you get caught by gankers, this makes how you fit your ship very relevant indeed.

Of course Destiny Corrupted is correct that the chances of getting ganked are so remote, that it probably makes sense just to forgo tank altogether. Freighters are so safe, that the chance of you losing one, even AFK, is low enough probably just to ignore. Personally, I always tank and fly with an escort to be safe, but rationally I know that this is a waste of my time as the chances of running into one of the two freighter ganking organizations is indistinguishable from zero.

The idea of a PvP free area is essentially your argument, as far as you've presented it.



They're irrelevant in the amount of actual damage they do to the economy. That doesn't mean, however, that their playstyle should be eliminated from the game simply because they're trolls.




I'm not aware of where a PvP free area exists in another form in this game? Unless you're talking about:



Which I'll refer to my earlier message about having a billion ISK locked in Jita because I couldn't get in range to modify my sell orders so that it'd actually sell. Add on to that scams and the like and although you might technically be safe from combat in a highsec or a lowsec station (in sov nullsec you can, of course, stay docked up all you want while supercarriers are pounding your station, and they won't be able to kill you, but you'll be locked out of station services and be unable to redock when you do finally decide to undock, effectively locking assets in there and making them unusable).

As for being game breaking, if you actually read back through the thread (and not back to page 41 or whatever the latest page you're willing to go back to) you'll find some arguments for why particular ideas that have been suggested would be game breaking (like the guy that wants the Titan bumping cannon or the superspeed guns). This is what it was in reference to (and I apologize if I wasn't clear enough because I was attempting to type the entire post out and research a few points in a 30 minute work break while juggling eating dinner). Towards your particular suggestion, I'll simply point out again that CCP didn't set up this game to be PvP safe, and CCP Falcon specifically said



The thing is, this makes Eve a different game from most and it's why so many people want to defend it. We want a difficult and challenging MMO where our primary opponent is other players. There's countless numbers of other games - MMO and otherwise - which give you varying degrees of difficulty; but they typically do come with some measure of complete safety. Eve is Unique in that it doesn't have that, and most people believe that this is to the betterment of the game. Unfortunately I'm now out of room to type; but that's the view of it that I see.

That ship was killed by a rather significant number of T3,T2 and faction ships. It likely went Suspect either due to a killright (which doesn't show up on EveKill or ZKB for whatever reason) or due to looting and then dumping cargo, or simply was suspect from something else and undocked in the freighter.

Either way, that's essentially like running your freighter in to Amamake while PL was still there; you're a free target to everyone and you're going to die because you have a big expensive ship. I doubt anyone got CONCORDed for shooting him, and I'd probably have shot him too if I'd been in Amarr at the time. But nobody is going to intentionally suicide gank in a T3 (it does happen but it's usually a "Oh hey free explorer kill... WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M IN HIGHSEC D:" type thing), and I'm doubtful someone would use a T2 to suicide gank, or a hauler (there's an Iteron Mk V on there) So the kill just screams suspect freighter to me.

Your right, I was trying to figure out why they would use so many expensive ships and they weren't lost when the guy obviously couldn't have been a war target. I did find this one though: zkillboard kill 44344581

(I've edited my post to reflect the new one)

Lol, no. Its not. Go back and re-read post 956.




Well given that CCP has now set a precedent for removing things that players don't use (see industry teams), then it would seem that further restrictions or outright removal of their play style would not be unreasonable (only in that context). (For the record I fought pretty hard against that change. My suggestions to alter their gameplay would not remove it however, nor do I think we should remove it, just that this type of argument doesn't sway me)




There are none that I know. The mechanic I was referring to was jump fatigue. IE expontentially increases timers depending on number of jumps.

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Towards your particular suggestion, I'll simply point out again that CCP didn't set up this game to be PvP safe, and CCP Falcon specifically said



I'm not asking for CCP to make this EVE be PVP safe.

Like for instance removing autopilot?

You're more likely to get in a real life car accident than ganked in a freighter. Their deaths are exceedingly rare, with very few ship classes having less deaths.

I'm pretty sure that I've already stated I'd have no problem with more realism. It would be AMAZING to see npcs actually combat each other. (See CCP's "blackboard" idea for NPC AI). But the problem as it stands is that none of those NPCS actually do anything. They aren't attacking anything on gates or stations. And technically if you had read far enough back I did come up with an idea that CCP should remove all missions and agents should just give missions to hunt down people with sec status below 0.0. (To be fair it wasn't a serious idea)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=400977&p=32
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Well the problem is that unlike players, npcs are technically infinite. Its basically why null-sec has issues with population density now. What I mean by that is nullsec systems, even the best ones, typically can't support all that many players because the number of activities available to them is comparatively finite to missions in hi sec which are not.