EVE General Discussion

That would be like faulting the police for not cracking down on UFC cage matches. "Corporate wars" are nothing but a government-sanctioned bloodletting mechanic to keep pod pilots preoccupied with their own crap. So yes, defense does have to be included.

Incursions are literally foreign invasions on empire space, and CONCORD was the first force to stand against them. That's as close to an army/police force as you can get.


Then we're in agreement that people don't actually pay for their protection in high-sec, while getting it anyway. Okay.

Maybe now we can start addressing this problem, instead of keeping our focus on why this free protection should increase in scope.

You make estmates and base your data what you have.

Manually.

Actually I wouldn't have a particular issue with rebalancing freighters so that they have a few more fitting options. In particular, I'd like to see the removal of the sublight velocity bonus, and changing the base hitpoints, powergrid, and CPU to accommodate active modules for an armor tank; the end result EHP-wise being similar to what you can get now. Thus the freighter wouldn't technically be harder to gank; however it would wind up significantly benefiting from an active tank and thus not being autopiloted (whereas right now it's literally impossible to fit anything but passive tanking modules that don't need to be turned on and the bonuses seem to imply that it should be autopiloted, as you don't really need a sublight bonus in a freighter unless you're slowboating to a gate). So not exactly a buff to freighters, but rather a rebalance that prefers being at the computer vs being afk. That, and the removal of the autopilot from the Tutorial (it literally tells you to autopilot; although it does briefly mention the danger) may help new players avoid that sort of a trap when they get in to a freighter.



It's actually funny that you make that point because I'd been thinking something similar at work today. Back when I was working on my Orca to essentially make it ridiculously difficult to gank, I wanted to better understand bumping mechanics. I had a difficulty, though, in finding a bump fit Machariel on Zkillboard that was obviously fit for that, as I frankly didn't know enough about battleships or fitting at the time to make that determination on my own. But, the great thing is there's a module scanner! I can fit it on a cheap Imicus in a cheap clone, and wait for a Machariel to bump a freighter, then scan it's modules to get what it's fit with and if I get ganked, disposable clone! I'd thought of everything. So I went to Uedama and waited for a gank. And waited. And waited. And waited. And waited. Two days later I gave up, because it was obvious that I wasn't going to catch a gank in action any time soon and had other things to do with my time; and I wanted to actually take what little I did know and head over to Sisi to do some experiments (I *really* wanted to make sure I knew all the risks with my Orca before I dropped a PLEX on it). CODE. just simply wasn't - and still isn't - active enough to really harm the freight population. The only real reason that there was that spike of ganks discussed earlier in the thread is that it was the weekend and that brings more players, and thus it's easier to actually field a fleet that's capable of killing a freighter.



War targets typically will only have a handful of people on the killmail, whereas a freighter gank will usually have dozens (up until the recent advent of hyperdunking but hey, at least now we also have wars show up on Zkillboard so you can better cross-reference it). Additionally war targets will often use more expensive ships; I'm not sure about a few years ago but if you see an Orca/Freighter in Highsec killed by a T3 or a faction hull, or just anything blingy it's either a war target or the victim went suspect.

Absolutely David to most of the things you've replied about.

The 'rapid fire' idea was that the increased cycle speed would allow less wasted time when destroying multiple targets. i.e. waiting for the final shot to cycle through before firing on the next target, while still maintaining similar DPS. It would only be making a real difference when fighting waves of fragile frigs/destroyers.

Correct me if I'm wrong but currently the only method of bumping ships is with other ships? Just thought it would be cool to introduce another element to the game such as bumping 'weapons' which ships could use against those smaller than themselves and leave it as an area effect that doesn't trigger suspect/criminal status.

I'm not saying I'd like anything added that could eliminate what's going on - just spit balling ideas that add tools to the counter gank toolbox to broaden the options.

I'm counting on it

Although I was suggesting that you could only bump things of lesser mass than your own ship (the base mass unaltered by fits/skills/modules etc.) Ok, i just want gravity weapons.

Not every subscriber needs protection in high-sec. Why should some of us pay for something we don't need?


If you had even a week's worth of experience as a ganker, you could easily tell what type of kill it was by looking at it.


Read one of my earlier posts. This one:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5455475#post5455475


Bullshit.

By and large, high-sec carebears constitute the most vitriolic group of players I've ever dealt with. Even those I've tried to help have been extremely rude to me at times, and as you can see from my writing, I'm probably not the type of person who goes around insulting peoples' mothers. In all my time playing, I've had a pvper/pirate go off at me less than half a dozen times. With carebears, that number is in the triple digits. Blow up someone's Drake, and then get blindly threatened to have your children raped after pointing out the fitting mistakes and linking a better setup. Yeah, Veers, nice and friendly indeed.

Classic griefer thinking...of course after you commit crimes against someone and destroy their possessions they will be upset...much like if you went and smashed someone's car window in. The troubled soul here is not the victim - it's the perpetrator. If you would act like a decent person and not try to **** other people off, they might be nicer to you. I personally have had extremely positive interactions with highsec PvE players, who are very friendly to those who treat them with dignity and respect.

I never committed any crimes. I played a video game within the confines of the rules and regulations laid out by its developers, that all players must agree to before they're able to play it. In fact, in over ten years, I've accumulated exactly zero infractions on my account. Not even a temporary mute; which is more than I can say for a whole bunch of players who've threatened to murder me in real life.

Yea that never happened. Granted he got his titan exploded but he is happily still in the CFC with a shiney new titan. This is a great example of what we are talking about. You white knighters take something like this and expand it with bullshit and lies while everyone in the CFC (including the "victim") laugh it off as yet another shoot blues tell vile rat incident.