EVE New Citizens Q&A

Gregor, not everybody is a carebear as you.

I for once, give NO **** about if my income is maxed out.

Actually, I think those people min/max anything are forgetting that it's a freaking game.

Play as you have fun, some people though might unlike you have fun by doing stuff that isn't the most efficient.
You keep assuming that OP and everybody else in here is like you, a bear that wants to accumulate ISK for the sake of nothing, doing it as fast as possible.

I can tell you, it's way more fun for me to run a mission hard mode by "an insufficient" ship and succeed then being the high-sec lemming a lot of people are doing the same thing as his fellow lemming mission-bears.



And, yes, as you do the exact same thing as Tippia, keep saying "But my way is best, cuase it's way more efficient." you are AS bad.

You do a whole lot of mouth breathing, you do realise that?


Sow me where I state that it should be better than a Marauder. What I SAID was that as Caldari doesn't have a turret marauder there's no point in training up Caldari BS as it's a dead end, and but one might as well stick to Gallente BS in the form of a mega/hype.


I stated (and it's obvious from the fit, not difficult to notice for ppl who can read fits) that it's stable on the guns, resists and TC (not AB/MJD and armour rep) as to not make it too difficult for a newer player who's diving in to the whole non-stable thing. Remember the "we're aiming this at newbies" thing?


Also, calling me a carebear is quite hilarious. When did your balls drop, when you joined that new corp of yours?

If you make sperg dumb remarks expect replies. So again, when did you start thinking you're suddenly amazing?

So what you're meaning to say is that we shouldn't add your drone dps to the total, duly noted.

In case of the hype it'll use its drones vs frigates while the rails take care of the bigger targets, so IS added, and in cases when you don't have/want to move and there's long range targets you have the option of launching the wardens.


So, your Rokh fit is not what I would have done but we'll use yours for the comparison.

yours does 481 dps while not making use of drones most of the time, mine does 541 on turrets alone, which it will apply just fine due to two tracking comps. On top of that it WILL use its drones more often, but even without that the dps increase is about 12% (which is massive given how people will commit murder for 5% implants). Even more so because the lower your dps becomes the closer you get to a BS NPC's tank, making it take WAY longer. So 12% increase right away, and on top of that possibly WAY more due to lights/sentries. And that all assumes you're using antimatter the whole time, which you're not.

On top of that there's the possibly that you waste time due to MJD cycle or not being able to angle your MJDs to get to the next mission target. The Hype in this case can choose, he can AB to the gate if it's close enough (Hype will travel 25-60km in the time it takes MJD to cycle) OR it can use its own MJD if the situation favours it.

And when the mission favours it you switch to blasters and deal a ton more dps, what's the Rokh going to do in that case?

Since i added drone DPS to both the hyperion and rokh, no.



Im not even sure why you would use all level 5 skills to compare this. Were talking about this in terms of low-skilled characters. No low skilled new player is going to max out battleship to 5. 3, maybe 4 max. At level 4, the damage difference on rails alone is only 22 dps.

This seems to be more evidence of how you are discussing this from an experienced, high skill level player, as opposed to what weve been discussing, which is a low skilled, inexperienced player.



52km optimal at level 3 Caldari BS, 58 at level 4. Yeah, youre gonna be using antimatter the whole time on ships that actually count.

Again, i shall repeat this the 4th time to you. The only time you would use high range low damage ammo is when you are killing the frigates from 80km away.



And then theres the possibility that you run out of light drones, having to MJD out, and then align and dock to station, wasting far more time and far more isk than having to MJD back to your original position, or close tot he gate, and slowboating. Whats your point? We can both create scenarios where we waste a massive amount of time.

The only difference between yours and mine, is that mine puts the least risk, doesnt cost 150 million isk more, and has a lower chance of wasting time, because the chances that your MJD wont get you in decent range to the gate, is far lower than the chances that your drones are getting hammered because you waited till the half a dozen frigs circled your ship before releasing drones with poor drone skills.



Oh right, i forgot, rokhs cant use blasters. Rokhs cant use active sheild tanks or ancillary sheild boosters. Wait, no, they can. Well thats a relief, i thought i was in trouble there for a sec.

BTW, i cant think of any mission that would be done with blasters that i couldnt run in good time with a railgun. Only situation i could think of is if they spawned a bunch of battleships right next to you, and im not aware of any mission that does that.

Half a dozen frigates, webbing and killing drones.

Drone recall lag/delay around 2 seconds.

Hob 2's 60 sheild 100 armor 300 hull with poor skills. Thats it.

Each frig deals atleast 20 dps(Lower end of the DPS meter).

60 DPS on a drone(lets say only half go on a single drone, cause youre lucky). 1 second and sheild is gone. another 3 seconds armor gone. By the time you react and recall drones, its already down to armor, if youre lucky and react quickly enough.

Rince and repeat for the other 4 drones left on grid.

Sure, so you just keep recalling all drones every time the frigate changes to yellowboxing, then releasing them when they switch. And how much damage are you gonna do to the frigs that way? Id say nearly 0.


I didnt miss it. You did, when you used an All level 5 skill set as a reference for how much damage a hyperion does vs a rokh.

Exaggerate... what? Are you out of arguments that you have to rely on vague random words that make no sense, hoping that atleast one of them might confound me enough to say "Sorry, youre right, i lost"?

And yes, i did say so. You really need to learn to read, man. This is worrying me. One day youre going to ram into a car and injure yourself because you thought it said "Speed limit 120 km/h" instead of "Speed limit 20 km/h".

Youre recalling ALL your drones every time you get yellowboxed by a frig. Every time. And youre still talking about min/max. Lol.

But i love how you keep winding down and only respond to 1 or 2 points, as if you know that youve lost on all the other points but dont want to admit you lost.

You had made the point that since you could find a ship that did more dps than the Rokh that no one should ever fly the Rokh under any circumstances. I was simply pointing out that by that logic no one should ever fly anything but a Marauder for level 4's to show how asinine your point was.