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Command ships worth training?

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Aiyshimin
Descendant Command
#21 - 2015-01-30 16:24:32 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.

As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one.


Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps.

Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#22 - 2015-01-30 17:02:10 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.

As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one.


Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps.



Agreed. BC command ships are designed to use 3 links and function as on-grid boosters.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#23 - 2015-01-30 17:02:54 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.

As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one.


Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps.


I think that there is a discrepancy in what "full boost" means to some folks. Some take it as 3 links (the full amount the hull can run natively), some take it as filling all available high slots with boost modules. It's almost impossible to do the latter and still maintain any good tank and/or combat ability due to the Command Processors necessary and CPU limits. A 3-Boost Eos, on the other hand, can tank rather nicely and do good drone DPS.

Hope this helps.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-01-30 17:24:46 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.

As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one.


Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps.



that's not full boosting then is it...
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#25 - 2015-01-30 17:38:13 UTC
Serena Pheonix wrote:
I'm really thankful for the tips and advice. After I get the t3s I want I'm going experiement with using warfare links and then train for command ships. Probably the Eos and sleipnr


Are you going to be on-grid and engaging with your group? Or off-grid and trying to stay safe?

This will dictate how you should fit your ship, more than anything else.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#26 - 2015-01-31 12:28:31 UTC
Whether Command Ships are worth the train is a question only you can answer IMHO.

If your object is to have fun with friends then you do not want full boost (7 links) or nearly full boost (circa 5 links) because your job is then to sit at a POS or a safespot and try to avoid being found/dying... This is an extremely boring task except when it isn't and therefore one most people who want the benefit will assign to an alt they can AFK.

If you fit a command ship for combat boosting (3 links or fewer) then you can have fun; they are solid ships - all of them will contribute a very solid tank and not an unreasonable amount of damage to the field. Which one you choose to use depends on your needs - predominantly the type of tank your gang will be flying but not always.

If what you're looking for is a poundy combat ship then you're probably better off looking for smaller sigs higher speeds and more pointed designs as found in the Strats and some of the HACs (though Minmatar don't end up doing too well in that regard the Vaga being focussed in another direction, the Munnin being... The Munnin and the Loki often having to compromise what would be its optimal fits to fit its tank with the rest).
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#27 - 2015-01-31 17:40:31 UTC
Had some good fun with this https://zkillboard.com/kill/34720598/ . Cloak, because I spent a lot of time waiting with this toon, and because the login-warp usually was no option.

Links, a bit of tackle and general meatshield. People love you for your links, and mindlinks were already 30mil at that time.
Aivo Dresden
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
WE FORM BL0B
#28 - 2015-02-03 10:47:15 UTC
I've flown a 3boost Eos in WHs. It compliments the fleet well. My setup is pretty similar to the one posted earlier in this thread. You do decent drone damage, you can fit a solid tank and running 3 skirmish boosts is still pretty beneficial.

Training for Command ships doesn't take that long. What takes very long is the 16m SP in Leaderships, should you decide to max out all the skills in there. Whether or not it is worth it, is up to you. It's a lot of training so you need to be sure you'll be using it.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#29 - 2015-02-03 11:40:02 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
I've flown a 3boost Eos in WHs. It compliments the fleet well. My setup is pretty similar to the one posted earlier in this thread. You do decent drone damage, you can fit a solid tank and running 3 skirmish boosts is still pretty beneficial.

Training for Command ships doesn't take that long. What takes very long is the 16m SP in Leaderships, should you decide to max out all the skills in there. Whether or not it is worth it, is up to you. It's a lot of training so you need to be sure you'll be using it.


Pretty sure that with ~9mil (WC4, rest V, no fleet) is sufficient for about any situation outside of linking a strategic fleet.
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#30 - 2015-02-04 19:52:52 UTC
For each of the four types of links, it takes about a week to get into the T1 module (e.g., Armored Warfare V + Armored Warfare Specialist I) but can take almost a month to get from there into the T2 module which would need e.g. Armored Warfare Specialist V. So that's at least two months to train the two specializations that any given command ship is bonused for, or four months to train all the specializations.

In my plan, it's about a month each for : Warfare Link Specialist V, Wing Command V, and Command Ships V. None are necessary but all are valuable, and if you have them you'll generally be welcome in any fleet. So total for me to be a "perfect" command ship pilot is a little more than half a year.

You also need battlecruiser V and the support skills to make it happen, naturally...
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