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Nevil Oscillator

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#21 - 2015-01-28 06:39:04 UTC | Edited by: Nevil Oscillator

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

If it's cost effective, anything will be used, you can be held in place by bumping till the squad arives
here's something my CEO wrote a while ago on someone using a talos fleet
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/01/unauthorized-player-profile-aedric.html?view=sidebar

Sure though of that 9 Bil most of it would have fit in a shuttle.

And probably be safer

I'm not going to tell every mission runner to watch DScan in high sec just because there is a remote chance that pirates can organize themselves enough to hit a freighter. You are going to stop the mission if you see combat probes ?

Ralph King-Griffin

New Eden Tech Support

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#22 - 2015-01-28 10:31:01 UTC

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

No,
clearly not,
but it's not a bad idea if you're ship has enough bling hanging off it,
no one will gank a t2 fit battle ship with a damage control (plenty would flip it but no one will gank it),
put enough purple on your ship and they will.

How much is enough?

Use the table above to work out how much firepower it would take to kill your ship,
then check evecentral to see how much that would cost ,
then compare that to the cost of your ship.

If your ship cost at or under the required amount, you should be fine,
if it's over by any substantial amount then you should probably have the known gankers added to your contacts, you should wach dscan ect ect....

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Nevil Oscillator

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#23 - 2015-01-28 12:19:33 UTC

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

clearly not,
but it's not a bad idea if you're ship has enough bling hanging off it,
no one will gank a t2 fit battle ship with a damage control (plenty would flip it but no one will gank it),
put enough purple on your ship and they will.

...

Lol,.. I'm not in the habit of giving advice to people with purple ships but from the way the OP phrased the question, my stab in the dark guess would be that her ship isn't.

Gregor Parud

Imperial Academy

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#24 - 2015-01-28 12:40:26 UTC

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

That gank target's worth is based on the BPC being BPO which is probably not the case.

Ralph King-Griffin

New Eden Tech Support

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#25 - 2015-01-28 12:59:40 UTC

Gregor Parud wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

That gank target's worth is based on the BPC being BPO which is probably not the case.

True, I was simply citing it as an instance of something other than destroyers being used.

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Nevil Oscillator

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#26 - 2015-01-28 13:12:06 UTC

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Gregor Parud wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

That gank target's worth is based on the BPC being BPO which is probably not the case.

True, I was simply citing it as an instance of something other than destroyers being used.

Thanks for that Ralph, it is interesting, now all we need is a kill mail from a mission runner that was ganked and it will no longer be hearsay :)

Godfrey Silvarna

Arctic Light Inc.

Arctic Light

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#27 - 2015-01-28 13:17:20 UTC

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Thanks for that Ralph, it is interesting, now all we need is a kill mail from a mission runner that was ganked and it will no longer be hearsay :)

Back in the day a certain group ran a campaign of suicide ganking officer-fit mission runners to fund their Titan purchase. It was very much doable and produced plenty of killmails, but it required pretty extreme effort in tracking down viable targets and keeping record of their schedules and habits to find the right time and place to strike.

Ganking mission runners is hard work, so most people find easier avenues of making isk, even if it can be extremely profitable when done right.

Nevil Oscillator

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#28 - 2015-01-28 13:33:20 UTC | Edited by: Nevil Oscillator

Godfrey Silvarna wrote:

Ganking mission runners is hard work, so most people find easier avenues of making isk, even if it can be extremely profitable when done right.

That is similar to my synopsis

It would take a lot of organizing and the targets that you would really be looking for are not so green behind the ears.

If you fail, you could lose all those ships for nothing.


Nevil Oscillator Likes received: 214	#29 - 2015-01-29 21:34:35 UTC Ralph King-Griffin wrote: True, I was simply citing it as an instance of something other than destroyers being used. It is a nice story and I am glad someone somewhere does do operations that involved.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#30 - 2015-01-31 07:18:38 UTC | Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie

Tau Cabalander wrote:

Trey Kutoi wrote:

Tau Cabalander wrote:

I think the current champion of EFT-warrior tanking (excluding Caldari supercaps) is the Bustard, a shield tank Deep Space Transport, in a shield tanking enhancing w-space system [plus the usual EFT-warrior supplies: implants, boosters, officer modules, max link bonuses]. The EFT-warrior fit has no practical use, though a usable sensible T2 fit has a hisec EHP on par with a freighter.

I heard some crazy things about 400k EHP Amarr DST with slaves

The Bustard is the only ship to reach negative resists. I think that's been patched now though.

I thought they determined that it was a corner case that didn't actually matter?

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

watch for local spikes,

dscan ,

and most effectively,

Don't put so much bling on your ship that it's the most isk/hour efficient activity in the region.

I will take your word for it that cruiser ganking is possible , double the DPS for 4 times the price possibly

They seem to me a bit slow for that kind of interception game.

I think you just get a buzz out of giving care bears a nervous disposition.. lol

The blaster/mixed drone vexor outputs about 1.5 times the dps for twice the price. The Rail/Sentry vexor outputs about 5/6ths of the dps of a blaster cat at 15km with enough tank to survive gate guns until concord arrives. Both are mostly used by solo gankers, the blaster version for hitting tanked mackinaws, and rail version as an upgrade to the gate gank thrasher for industrial ganking.

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Nevil Oscillator Likes received: 214	#31 - 2015-01-31 09:41:18 UTC \| Edited by: Nevil Oscillator Can you really make ISK out of killing Mackinaws in high sec ? If I had a Mackinaw because you could claim the bounty that Rain put on me but if it wasn't for the forum I wouldn't have a bounty on me so I can't really include that in the equation for other people.

Ralph King-Griffin

New Eden Tech Support

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#32 - 2015-01-31 18:26:30 UTC

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Gregor Parud wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

That gank target's worth is based on the BPC being BPO which is probably not the case.

True, I was simply citing it as an instance of something other than destroyers being used.

Thanks for that Ralph, it is interesting, now all we need is a kill mail from a mission runner that was ganked and it will no longer be hearsay :)

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Nevil Oscillator Likes received: 214	#33 - 2015-01-31 19:55:19 UTC \| Edited by: Nevil Oscillator Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Ask and ye shall receive. A bit closer but as stated So our Vindicator was not some random target or clueless carebear on autopilot, he was a mark that was carefully singled out from the herd and brought to the purple gank altar. It's an inside job

Solonius Rex

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#34 - 2015-01-31 20:55:30 UTC

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Ask and ye shall receive.

A bit closer

but as stated

So our Vindicator was not some random target or clueless carebear on autopilot, he was a mark that was carefully singled out from the herd and brought to the purple gank altar.

It's an inside job

Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet.

Solonius Rex

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#35 - 2015-01-31 20:56:24 UTC

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Can you really make ISK out of killing Mackinaws in high sec ?

If I had a Mackinaw because you could claim the bounty that Rain put on me but if it wasn't for the forum I wouldn't have a bounty on me so I can't really include that in the equation for other people.

You dont kill a mackinaw because it nets you money, you kill a mackinaw because it gives you a good looking killboard.

That, and the tears.

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Nevil Oscillator

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#37 - 2015-02-01 01:57:25 UTC

Solonius Rex wrote:

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

It's an inside job

Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet.

Yes that is possible but I am suspicious of the timing of the gankers arrival 93% of the damage was done by NPC. This raises a few questions as to the circumstances some of which can be calculated.

Gregor Parud

Imperial Academy

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#38 - 2015-02-01 08:15:21 UTC

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Solonius Rex wrote:

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

It's an inside job

Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet.

Yes that is possible but I am suspicious of the timing of the gankers arrival 93% of the damage was done by NPC. This raises a few questions as to the circumstances some of which can be calculated.

That doesn't mean the target was low on HP as the gank happened. All it means that the target had been attacked by NPC for a while BEFORE the gank happened. In situations like that the damage done numbers are pretty useless.

If you tank a 100 dps npc for half an hour and then someone comes along and kills your full HP ship then the kill mail will also count that 100*60*30 damage from the NPC on the kill mail. Making the percentage done by the player very low, while he did in fact kill your ship from full HP.

J'Poll

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#39 - 2015-02-01 09:09:28 UTC

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

Solonius Rex wrote:

Nevil Oscillator wrote:

It's an inside job

Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet.

Yes that is possible but I am suspicious of the timing of the gankers arrival 93% of the damage was done by NPC. This raises a few questions as to the circumstances some of which can be calculated.

Obviously you never heard or know how killmails and damage application works.

He likely had reps on him remotely, so that's why damage from sansha is that high.

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Nevil Oscillator Likes received: 214	#40 - 2015-02-01 10:19:13 UTC J'Poll wrote: Obviously you never heard or know how killmails and damage application works. He likely had reps on him remotely, so that's why damage from sansha is that high. I don't know anything, it's not my example, you explain to me exactly what happened to its 200k EHP ?

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