EVE General Discussion

Criminal Justice =/= Law. Two separate careers with two separate jobs.
Telling us to not attempt to bring an issue with the game to light is akin to whining to CCP over the original issue. At least, that's how some of those who aren't "hurpdurp ISBoxer is akin to aimbots in COD" see it. I will not attempt to speak for everyone as that's a form of dishonesty. Speaking of "trying to speak for everyone", I'd love to know what CSM corebloodbrother was thinking when ISBoxers were presenting logical arguments, evidence, and proof in every "HURP ISBOXER IS BAD" thread in GD in the past umpteen years, contrary to the whiners who had nothing more to say than "I feel it's bad" and "my freighter with 20b ISK was ganked while AFK through Niarja ergo it's bad."


That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
If you cannot back up your claims, or have nothing to support your arguments when exposed to logic and solid solutions to the issues, then maybe they aren't good arguments or claims. vOv

Wow CCP you listend to my idea, surely stunning.

The problem with fleet warp is one guy can basically warp everyone to safety (like a pos) at the drop of a dime.
Really there is not much of a way to fight people in null sec from just camping local chat aligned to be able to run 20 to 30 mining ships, ready to warp at the drop of a dime. Yes the guy has to hit the mining lasers individually now, but basically can still multibox to safety without problem and very legally.

Either remove fleet warp or at least make it take a skill as in skill points, making it a skill everyone gets to use for nothing is overpowered and abused.

Arbitrary click fest to make something harder to do just for the sake of it is stupid . Fleet warp, target broadcast do make mulitboxing easier, but they also make a huge difference for fleets as well. It is really not such a big deal. Seriously? "waaa waa they all warped away and i couldn't gank them". Yea do better next time.

Eve has fundamental mechanics designed around multiboxing. I fly in a time zone where our corp would not work without multiple accounts.

Be able to play a game called eve and mulitboxing, or kiss eve goodbye. There is no way in hell eve would survive banning multiboxing. it would make burn jita look like a walk in the park. And sooner rather than later CCP would be forced to backtrack. Or shutdown.

Only tears I saw was beforehand, with the hourly "ban isboxer" threads that plagued GD that were made by the same group of people, and the ones after going "wah he's still in my belt". The majority of isboxers attempted to reach out to CCP and bring alternative solutions to light. Attempting yo obtain information about an unfair application of the EULA is a completely legitimate concern for us, as we've spent some time fixing our setups to comply with the new EULA.

What the heck does ISBoxer and Botting have to do with one another? By it's very nature ISBoxer requires a human presence, if your goal is to reduce botting, programs like ISBoxer help that goal.

Personally I would say the best thing CCP could have done was to totally ban use of ISBoxer or similar software in conjunction with the EVE Online game client. This would have been much cleaner and easier to police.

If CCP do remove fleet warp I imagine we will still be able to warp to individual members of the same fleet ? We would still be able to warp to bookmarks as well ? If we have those two options still then I don't believe it is prohibitively too much of a problem. But a far better solution would have been for CCP to make a clean break in the first place.

PS I don't think we should really be starting another multi-page rant area on this issue. The last one got a little silly the further it went on.

Sigh.... No it wouldn't. I play on linux. I can set up my window managers to do what isboxer does and more. Without isboxer. So banning the tool would just mean using a different tool *and* it is impossible to tell the difference between round robins and a good alt-tabber.

Seriously if you understood just how hard and how sub optimally you play with mulitpule accounts, you wouldn't all rage so much. And Why? What is the difference between 10 tengus paid for by one credit card and 10 tengus with 10 different? I will tell you for free the 10 separate pilots are at least 3 times more effective than a isboxers fleet.

Seriously get out of stations and play the bloody game or just move on already to WoW or Star Citezen. You won't be missed.

Banning mulitboxing and believe me we will be missed.

I guess that counts me out since I am not the least bit concerned. I really don't care one way or the other.

Nonetheless, I feel it is my duty as a forum warrior to at least make an appearance in this thread.

Mr Epeen

I hope i am allowed to post this and dont offend anyone in his or her personal space...

People that are not using input broascasting are having problems at the moment ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=400578&find=unread ) which is obviously one of the first negative effects on the non ISBoxing community. I dont want to say non multiboxing community cause the considerated changes hit everyone multiboxing or not. There are posts on the forum Klick! that promote new per new regulation LEGAL ways of simplifying the control over several clients at the same time. So as i see it, the recent efforts to prevent players from getting a significant advantage by using the broadcast function of ISBoxer were more or less ineffective. As long a the game itself doesn't force you to do something different to issue the same command on another client, most used example is the entering of a code before you can lauch a bomb, nothing's really gonna change if the boxers dont have a problem with putting in a little bit more effort than before and klick several buttons and not only one.

I finance my stuff with incursions and i have seen some small effects on the incursion community since first of January. Some boxers reduced the amount of their clients and some stopped completely, but by far not all. In my humble opinion though, the incursion boxers are not the real problem. Ya i know some hold them responsible for the high plex prices despite loads of facts proving otherwise (for example a presentation a the last fanfest... war was it two years ago?) yadi yadi yada...
I see the bigger problems with the PvP boxes. Right, removing the fleetwarp could make it a bit harder but i can imagine just a little bit because issuing the warp command will still be the same on all clients and it will hit a huge amount of players that maybe dont even have a second account to multibox.



As soon as you have more than one account that you command at the same time, you are multiboxing, which i can imagine is a good part of the playerbase.