EVE General Discussion

And how exactly can a laser beam do explosive and kinetic damage?

Also, I agree with the fact that lasers should have the best tracking in the game.

Lasers IRL can track tiny missiles going mach 8, why should laser tracking in Eve be worse?

I think lasers should track better than Autocannons.

Lasers are set in their damage type because of a few reasons. Now everyone knows how much I like my lists...
1. It fits their lore rather nicely.
2. As already stated it wouldn't make much sense.
3. Lasers have some of the highest alpha in the sub capital category, only rivaled by 1400mm maelstroms.
4. Lasers have instant ammo change meaning you can apply that awesome alpha at varied ranges with little trade off. "scorch"
5. Lasers take ammo that can last forever.
6. Laser turrets have the highest optimal of any turret in the game.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiteSCKmfdrddGthdjR0R1pYUGo5S0NwaVdtZk02QUE&hl=en_US#gid=0
tech 2 comparison spread sheet ^ (before recent changes to hybrid turrets)

So please answer for me, why you would sacrifice any of these attributes to be able to change damage type? Or are you really that upset people plug their EM hole in pvp for obvious reasons. "More than anything its just a medium to high omni tank anyways".

Cheers for the all the replies and yeah your right.. I just didn't think it through :)

Damn I love this community :)

1. It fits their lore rather nicely.
- Well, no one cares about lore, it's obvious.

2. As already stated it wouldn't make much sense.
- Just the same as Kinetic and Explosion damage. Explosions caused by Kinetic enegy therefore explosions do Kinetic damage

3. Lasers have some of the highest alpha in the sub capital category, only rivaled by 1400mm maelstroms.
- The highest is 1400mm, no one even close to that

4. Lasers have instant ammo change meaning you can apply that awesome alpha at varied ranges with little trade off. "scorch"
- While ammo changes, domage type doesn't. It works just the same as huge falloff. At longer ranges it misses more therefore makes less damage. Same with the lasers.

5. Lasers take ammo that can last forever.
- Yeah and can't compete with any other type. Moreover no one uses those t1 crystals. T2 is the only way to go.

6. Laser turrets have the highest optimal of any turret in the game.
- You forgot to add that laser turrets have the lowest falloff. On a longer ranges you have to change crystal with less damage to be able to reach someone. I already said that, it works like falloff.

So please answer for me, why you would sacrifice any of these attributes to be able to change damage type?
- Sacrifice what?! None of the above is better then ACs and now Hybrids.

This

yer pretty much this, before tech II ammo was released CCP played with the idea of for instance having gleam with other then thermal and em damage, but it just made them to damn good.

Because lasers are damn good, but not to damn good.

Because the short range version of your weapon being able to hit at 70km+ for more DPS than any other weapon system in the game also needs to be able to deal that DPS against whichever resist they choose.

Nerf range by half, nerf damage by at least 30%, then we'll talk.

All the people complaining about ubber projectile weapons don't play the game.

I use both projectiles and enery weapons. Both are fine.

Most people forget this simple fact:

When fighting with projectile you are always fighting in falloff. This means the dps you deal is not the number in EFT! It is far less, depending on the situation. A lot of my fights when using autocannons happen at optimal + 1x falloff ( = +- disruptor range). At this range your dps is almost 45% of the EFT value.

When fighting with energy weapons you are always fighting at optimal. 100% of EFT value. Don't forget you have Scorch. -> Medium range optimal with Short range dps.

Both weapon systems have their drawbacks and advantages but I think they are ballanced pretty well..

My 0.02isk.

DeBingJos.

Solution :

train minmatar BS and other stuff, train large projectile turret specs.

Here we go you effectively reached the point where you can select your damage types, use 1400mm and 800mm and have that awesome incredible dmg you speak of..

Nothing to see there.

Armor Hacs.

anyone heard about tracking distruptors ? try to use them on those uber 1400mm and 800mm lets see how they doing.

Just the same as Barrage.
The difference in dps between Scorch and Barrage is 5%.

edit: Also don't forget, minnie ships can fit more damage mods because they tank with the shield.