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I want to try some solo PvP
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equincu ocha
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-01 14:37:28 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:

KNOW EVERY SHIPS COMMON FITTINGS.


This doesn't seem to get said enough

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Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-12-01 15:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
Krios Ahzek wrote:
You can't really.


Evidently, my Wolf has apparently not found ~4 good fights (1v1s with other frigates, actually) in the space of three days. Roll

And this is actually pretty bad for me, I've been busy this week.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-12-01 16:02:26 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
You can't really.


Evidently, my Wolf has apparently not found ~4 good fights (1v1s with other frigates, actually) in the space of three days. Roll

And this is actually pretty bad for me, I've been busy this week.


Wow that's almost one per day

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#24 - 2011-12-01 16:10:36 UTC
That's how it goes sometimes though. You could go on a 4 hour roam and find nothing (that wouldn't be complete suicide). I'm not just talking about waiting on a favourable 1v1 either.

This is why a lot of people who try solo and don't stick with it think it's impossible. It's also why people say you need patience to do it.

You can improve your 'yield' by learning how to scan a system down as quickly as possible... nothing there or know people are usually docked up? Don't hang about, get moving.

Don't have time to roam? Go toy with the bads that bait in Tama / Ama etc with posed up links tengus and backup. Kill the bait and see if you can GTFO before backup arrives.

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Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-12-01 16:12:27 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
You can't really.


Evidently, my Wolf has apparently not found ~4 good fights (1v1s with other frigates, actually) in the space of three days. Roll

And this is actually pretty bad for me, I've been busy this week.


Wow that's almost one per day


1.33 per day, actually, which is more than one per day. Can you do maths?

And that's a decent number seeing as how I've only been logging around an hour every day this week. Unless you're an ADD CoD-type who needs a constant influx of action and doesn't have the patience to go hunting or finding targets, it's satisfying.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-12-01 16:21:48 UTC
Are your frigates dramiels or T2 fit?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#27 - 2011-12-01 16:33:40 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Are your frigates dramiels or T2 fit?

Not always...

http://i.imgur.com/YZOgY.jpg

If you think you can't kill faction or tech II ships in a tech I frigate then it's a bit hard to take you seriously. It doesn't matter how much isk you pour into a fit, it will still die to the right setup or tactics. Faction fit Dramiels die frequently to tech II/meta fit Tristans and Merlins for example.

I don't know what you find so special about use of tech II modules either. It's not like they are expensive. Do you also find faction ammo to be unreasonable?

It's fairly common to have tech II weapons and damage modules at least but more often than not meta 3 tackle mods are perfectly fine, as are meta microwarprives, neuts or damage controls (although those are expensive at the moment).

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2011-12-01 16:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Tech 2 modules are in fact too expensive and I can't fit most of them yet.

Oh well, I guess I'll just die for a year until my skills are up to par. It's not like it matters. I'd rather die 7 times in a 2 mil ISK destroyer than die once in a 15 mil one.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#29 - 2011-12-01 16:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Spank
It sounds like you are just making excuses not to PVP. I was shooting things in my first week. It certainly does not take a year of skilling to go cause mayhem in a frigate. Rifters especially are so good that you can get away with being underskilled.

Skillpoints help, but if you don't apply them correctly with good tactics then it makes no difference.

If 15m isk is too expensive for you then I guess your main problem is a lack of experience, not skillpoints. Once you find a nice and hopefully effort free way to make ISK then 15m isk is peanuts. It's certainly not unreasonable to spend that much on a frigate and some setups don't cost any more than 6-9m isk.

I don't wish to sound snarky, and I know a lot of people do on these forums but I am genuinely interested in getting people into solo PVP.

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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#30 - 2011-12-01 16:45:56 UTC
In case some poor newbie comes along reading this thread:

Skill Point unrealated:

-Flying solo trying to hunt targets will give you a wealth of information about how not to be caught yourself.
-Learning how to quickly canvas a system with DSCAN for targets and other hunters will help you every single time you log in to do anything beyond industry and trading
- Getting your own confidence up by learning how to jump into a system that is camped and not die a fiery death everytime will help with everything outside high sec.
- Just plain getting used to a fight ( even when dying ) so you can start to focus on little things like cap managment, heat of mods, adjusting speed, manual flying etc instead of shaking with the rush everytime someone locks you up.
- Get to know other folks out flying about and share bullets and war stories

There are more but absolutely none of these require you to even win a firiggin fight.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-12-01 16:54:48 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It sounds like you are just making excuses not to PVP. I was shooting things in my first week. It certainly does not take a year of skilling to go cause mayhem in a frigate. Rifters especially are so good that you can get away with being underskilled.

Skillpoints help, but if you don't apply them correctly with good tactics then it makes no difference.

If 15m isk is too expensive for you then I guess your main problem is a lack of experience, not skillpoints. Take the time to understand the game a bit more before you start making judgement calls.


I'm increasingly cynical but that doesn't mean i don't PVP.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Krios+Ahzek#losses
(There's a bunch of lowsec deaths and rifter deaths that are missing too)


Closest I came to a frigate 1 vs 1 was this
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14683105
And it's still a T2 frigate with a flight of T2 drones, EWAR, as well as a serpentis cruiser rat which I was shooting when I got jumped. Neuted, webbed, and killed by drones at 20km range.

I think my next move will be training for and fitting a cloaking device in that 8th high slot, it might make it easier to pick fights.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#32 - 2011-12-01 17:01:44 UTC
Cool cool. Lots of fd- and other busy entry points to 0.0 its hard to get much of a fight solo in a frig in those places :P

I am flying this ship at the moment and if I remember correctly when I bulk bought all the modules and ammo for them, they came to about 8m isk per ship...

http://spank.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=37

It's really impressive what it can do, and that's before they were improved in the patch. Frigates are still viable too but do be careful fighting destroyers in them these days :D

I'm going to check out your link in your sig now, sounds interesting.

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Farrell Jay
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2011-12-01 17:07:03 UTC
The best thing to do would be to roam lowsec in a frig looking for fights, if you lose then you're only losing a small amount of isk and/or a few tears on the way to becoming a more adept solo killer.

Never underestimate the power of a well fit frigate

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11688975 Twisted
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2011-12-01 17:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
I really hate gate guns and I'm weakly trying to grind my sec status over -2.5, so lowsec is pretty much crap. In my honest opining it's much better to just bite the bullet, go to null and kill some 1 mil ISK bounty battleships when the system is empty to pay for the damn ships.

By the way, are stealth bombers a good/fun option for solo PVP?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Kirith Vespira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-12-01 17:15:14 UTC
Good fights to be had in FW... just avoid the typical Gallente blobs... Twisted
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#36 - 2011-12-01 17:16:44 UTC
Forgot another important lesson ( my weak point too ):

With absolutely 0 skill points:

- Learn how to identify when you are losing a fight and how to get away.

SB is good for some things:

camping CO's around planets for haulers
waiting at wormholes ( or even going in them and shooting up residents )
Some guys fit up SB's to gank other SB's that run FW plexes and missions ( think webs / rockets etc )
Kirith Vespira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-12-01 17:20:46 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
camping CO's around planets for haulers


Seriously, tho, don't you think camping a CO with a cloaked SB waiting for a hauler is more than a little chicken-s**t? That's something a high sec can flipper does...
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#38 - 2011-12-01 17:26:57 UTC
Some people do it but seriously, unless you know an individual that is usually in a system at a planet at a particular time of day then its a bit daft to just sit on a CO waiting for someone to turn up.

Solo bombers ARE possible but it's a pretty niche role with high risk. I saw an interesting video of someone soloing ratting battleships out in null sec in an ab mse fit with high damage. Most ships that you can hit can still also hit you from within point range but I will be honest and say this isn't a avenue I have explored personally. I've been out on a few roams in a solo bomber but haven't found anything I thought I could engage yet (seriously a couple of sub 2 hour roams only).

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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#39 - 2011-12-01 17:27:36 UTC
Kirith Vespira wrote:
....

Seriously, tho, don't you think camping a CO with a cloaked SB waiting for a hauler is more than a little chicken-s**t? That's something a high sec can flipper does...


Me?

I'd be surprised if you can find one killmail with me in a bomber where I didn't die a horrible fiery death. The dude asked about viability.

And with the prices of PI fuels, that would be a profitable option.
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-12-01 18:08:11 UTC
I would start in a cruiser/bc depending on what you can afford instead, it gives you more targets to engage. You usually have more time to think and you can still survive when you make mistakes.