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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#101 - 2015-01-31 07:41:50 UTC
Kueyen wrote:
And so, hope for change dies once more...

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breaking-news-roden-success-in-bid-for-second-term/

"When you trade freedom for security, you deserve neither"

Roden is a war criminal, guilty in deaths of millions, and tortures of thousands.
Filth like him doesn't deserve to live.

Those, who defend him with guns in hands and those, who have voted for him, they all are equally guilty and must be punished equally.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#102 - 2015-02-01 19:16:42 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Kueyen wrote:
And so, hope for change dies once more...

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breaking-news-roden-success-in-bid-for-second-term/

"When you trade freedom for security, you deserve neither"

Roden is a war criminal, guilty in deaths of millions, and tortures of thousands.
Filth like him doesn't deserve to live.

Those, who defend him with guns in hands and those, who have voted for him, they all are equally guilty and must be punished equally.

That President Roden’s success is a disappointment to enemies of the Federation, best exemplified by Ma’demoiselle Kim, is testament to why his reelection was necessary.

Apparently many in the electorate agreed.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#103 - 2015-02-03 05:04:47 UTC
Mr. Syagrius,

It just shows that there are too many supporters of this criminal in the Federation, and thus we should GIVE THEM NO MERCY. Federals don't deserve to be treated as honorable soldiers. They pollute our Cluster and must be removed with force. Like Sanshas.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#104 - 2015-02-03 05:55:20 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Mr. Syagrius,

It just shows that there are too many supporters of this criminal in the Federation, and thus we should GIVE THEM NO MERCY. Federals don't deserve to be treated as honorable soldiers. They pollute our Cluster and must be removed with force. Like Sanshas.


Personal Log: Rinai Vero wrote:
Oh, and Aura, remind me about this post when we finally meet Tibus Heth in full True Slave mode.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2015-02-05 21:53:41 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Jukko Riis wrote:
Pardon me Ms. Vero,


But it seems to me that you nominally support the idea of a free Intaki, as long as they don't end up as an ally of the State?

I find your concepts of "freedom" and "democracy" to be most intriguing.
...
I think we have room for continued discussion, if you'd like. And the drinks are on me.


Indeed, there should always be room for discussion. I enjoy discussion almost as much as I enjoy exchanging blaster fire.

Many Caldari misunderstand the finer details of Democracy as practiced in the Federation. I'm happy to explain the system that I support further.

As it stands the Intaki people, represented by the Intaki Assembly, joined the Federal Union through a democratic process. Under the charter of the Federation they elect both their local governments as well as who they choose for the Federal Senate. Citizens of Intaki descent are free to live and vote anywhere within our borders, and you should understand that many millions of Intaki choose to do so. Thus, a Citizen of Intaki birth might live and work on the Crystal Boulevard of Caille where they would vote as a resident of Gallente Prime on issues of local and planetary importance... while at the same time voting with concern to how Intaki issues are handled by the Federation.

Now, similarly someone like myself, being of Gallente ethnic descent might decide to move to the Intaki Homeworld. I could start a business there, even register to vote as a local resident in exactly the same manner. This is how our democracy and free society functions.

So, on to the question of Secession? There has been no democratic process whereby the Intaki Assembly, or any other representative elected body of the Intaki People, have voted to secede from the Federal Union. For me to consider Intaki Separatists' agenda legitimately representative of the will of the Intaki People, this would be the first step.

Admittedly, if such a process were to be undertaken during the current state of War I would be extremely concerned with the validity of any result. Not only would the process be subject to intimidation and interference by the Caldari... I believe that Separatists would have legitimate fear of reprisal from Ultranationalists within the Federation. Furthermore, I do not currently trust the Caldari State not to take Intaki System by force if they were not members of the Federation. Mssr Baatav may claim that he would oppose Caldari domination as strenuously as he opposes Federal rule, but unfortunately for him I do not believe that the State would be so tolerant of his politics as we have been.


And what aid did the GMVA provide to the people on Caldari Prime after the Battle..? If I recall correctly, it was Ishukone and it's supporters that volunteered their humanitarian services, despite backlash from the State, not the GMVA. You offer in one hand and take in the other but in either hand you don't seem to understand the true principle of what the ILF stands to represent: The fact that they view succession as a viable means of independence. Have you not wondered why, at any point..? Have you not considered why it is Mordu's Legion ships that patrol Intaki space with Ishukone as their primary supporter..?

Recall the fact that while the Federation were safe behind the boundaries of the warzone, Intaki was one of the systems auctioned off in the first place. How can you stand to accuse the ILF of their dealings with those that would benefit them when you cannot - or rather, will not - offer anything in their stead..?

Bear in mind that when the Titan fell at Caldari Prime, we Intaki fought on behalf of Gallentean interests... Despite, we cannot even have our councilman (Eilaron) adequately protected during a speaking. What offering are you proposing besides blind dismissal and justification of your actions..?

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#106 - 2015-02-05 22:53:27 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:


And what aid did the GMVA provide to the people on Caldari Prime after the Battle..? If I recall correctly, it was Ishukone and it's supporters that volunteered their humanitarian services, despite backlash from the State, not the GMVA. You offer in one hand and take in the other but in either hand you don't seem to understand the true principle of what the ILF stands to represent: The fact that they view succession as a viable means of independence. Have you not wondered why, at any point..? Have you not considered why it is Mordu's Legion ships that patrol Intaki space with Ishukone as their primary supporter..?

Recall the fact that while the Federation were safe behind the boundaries of the warzone, Intaki was one of the systems auctioned off in the first place. How can you stand to accuse the ILF of their dealings with those that would benefit them when you cannot - or rather, will not - offer anything in their stead..?

Bear in mind that when the Titan fell at Caldari Prime, we Intaki fought on behalf of Gallentean interests... Despite, we cannot even have our councilman (Eilaron) adequately protected during a speaking. What offering are you proposing besides blind dismissal and justification of your actions..?


Actually, It may interest you to know that on the day of the Battle of Caldari Prime I myself contributed to the already in progress relief effort. Whatever conflicts of ideology between GMVA and other Caldari Loyalist organizations and capsuleers were present, I was there in common purpose for the benefit of the people in need on the planet below. A few of those present may remember and be able to attest to my presence if you doubt it.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2015-02-06 05:58:50 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:


And what aid did the GMVA provide to the people on Caldari Prime after the Battle..? If I recall correctly, it was Ishukone and it's supporters that volunteered their humanitarian services, despite backlash from the State, not the GMVA. You offer in one hand and take in the other but in either hand you don't seem to understand the true principle of what the ILF stands to represent: The fact that they view succession as a viable means of independence. Have you not wondered why, at any point..? Have you not considered why it is Mordu's Legion ships that patrol Intaki space with Ishukone as their primary supporter..?

Recall the fact that while the Federation were safe behind the boundaries of the warzone, Intaki was one of the systems auctioned off in the first place. How can you stand to accuse the ILF of their dealings with those that would benefit them when you cannot - or rather, will not - offer anything in their stead..?

Bear in mind that when the Titan fell at Caldari Prime, we Intaki fought on behalf of Gallentean interests... Despite, we cannot even have our councilman (Eilaron) adequately protected during a speaking. What offering are you proposing besides blind dismissal and justification of your actions..?


Actually, It may interest you to know that on the day of the Battle of Caldari Prime I myself contributed to the already in progress relief effort. Whatever conflicts of ideology between GMVA and other Caldari Loyalist organizations and capsuleers were present, I was there in common purpose for the benefit of the people in need on the planet below. A few of those present may remember and be able to attest to my presence if you doubt it.


And our thanks are in order, make no mistake about that. However, this does not address the question posed. What offering do you and the GMVA offer to Intaki relations besides free ammunition administered directly to the hull of Intaki vessels?

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama