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Missiles for the Caldari T3 Destroyer

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Hakan MacTrew
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#21 - 2015-01-25 18:21:12 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Light missiles are already contentiously powerful. The T3 would be hideous with them Sad

CCP have altered each of the racial small weapons that match each T3 Destroyer at the same time as their release, I would expect the same to continue for light missile/ rockets with Caldari and Rails/Blasters for Gallenete
Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-01-25 20:23:15 UTC
I'd rather have corms on crack and seeing how there already is 2 missile dessies for Caldari. I'd really muh rather see guns.

and what do you mean caldari got left out with the naga, if it we not for Ishtars and drone boats in general doing everything better than everything the Naga would be one of the best ships in the game.

good volley, unmatchable projection, insane DPS at these ranges since the rail buff, it's an ABC, it could dictate range against a lot of things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGUNhONwer4

Oh and a torp naga would eliminate most the drawbacks that come with an ABC.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#23 - 2015-01-25 20:27:23 UTC
however the naga is not used near as much as the talos and i would much rather be given the choice to use missiles or hybrids rather than just choosing what hull to put them on.




Rails are a secondary weapon system for caldari so it would be nice and give more options to players to see it represented in their new tech
Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-01-25 20:44:25 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
however the naga is not used near as much as the talos and i would much rather be given the choice to use missiles or hybrids rather than just choosing what hull to put them on.




Rails are a secondary weapon system for caldari so it would be nice and give more options to players to see it represented in their new tech


The naga was more popular in fleets because of the optimal buff, and better with shield buffer. Now the only rational fleet DPS is something that dose drones. so It's no surprise were not seeing so much gunboat fleets.

For solo the Talos is pretty much the only rational ABC to use. on top of it's speed which can out strip a tornado with a poly-carb or nano the talos has a full flight a light drones, to fend off tackle... all the other ABCs are pretty much 100% screwed when anything lands a scram on them.

and that's assuming the frig even gets past it's tracking buffed 8 rack of BS blasters

also would like to point out the reason HMs suck is because of the lol tengu and lol drake, do you want the LMLs to get the same treatment?

Lugh Crow-Slave
#25 - 2015-01-25 20:54:30 UTC
so far you have two basis i have seen behind why you want hybrids rather than missiles


A) there are already two missile dessis

its the same with minmatar where there are now 3 projects and 1 missile

furthering that there are currently 8 turret desis and only 4 missile ones in that there is only about one that isn't completly out classed by the turret desis


B) they may get nerfed like HMs


I don't see this happening they may get nerfed a bit as they do a balance over them like they have with the other two T3 desis but that would only be because they are a bit powerful in the range department(on some hulls hitting near BC range)



with how T3 desis work and there mods it is doable to make the gal one viable in use of both blasters and rails giving a place for both

putting hybrids on the cal and the gal will do nothing but limit weapon choice for pilots wanting to fly them
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#26 - 2015-01-25 21:10:32 UTC
Honestly I don't know what to say on this one (I was almost not going to post because of that). I think I'd like it no matter what it gets. I also think it would be good in both cases.
Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-01-25 21:22:57 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
so far you have two basis i have seen behind why you want hybrids rather than missiles


A) there are already two missile dessis

its the same with minmatar where there are now 3 projects and 1 missile

furthering that there are currently 8 turret desis and only 4 missile ones in that there is only about one that isn't completly out classed by the turret desis


B) they may get nerfed like HMs


I don't see this happening they may get nerfed a bit as they do a balance over them like they have with the other two T3 desis but that would only be because they are a bit powerful in the range department(on some hulls hitting near BC range)



with how T3 desis work and there mods it is doable to make the gal one viable in use of both blasters and rails giving a place for both

putting hybrids on the cal and the gal will do nothing but limit weapon choice for pilots wanting to fly them


I'm sorry what, the corax, Talwar, and Algos are only out projected by the corm, the coercer is just bad, the thrasher meh, the catalyst is for ganking.

the flycatcher and heretic became insanely good, the only thing keeping the saber around is it low sig and high speed.

minmatar have a lot of turret boats, because projectiles are exclusively buffed on minmatar hulls
Lugh Crow-Slave
#28 - 2015-01-25 21:26:32 UTC
Tusker Crazinski wrote:


minmatar have a lot of turret boats, because projectiles are exclusively buffed on minmatar hulls


yes because they are the primary weapon system of that race just like missiles are to caldari
Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-01-25 21:47:17 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Tusker Crazinski wrote:


minmatar have a lot of turret boats, because projectiles are exclusively buffed on minmatar hulls


yes because they are the primary weapon system of that race just like missiles are to caldari


Missiles are bonused on every race but gallente. Caldari specialize in hybrids (mostly rails) and missiles.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#30 - 2015-01-25 21:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Tusker Crazinski wrote:

Missiles are bonused on every race but gallente. Caldari specialize in hybrids (mostly rails) and missiles.




the main weapon systems of each race are project(minm) hybrids(gal) lazers(amarr) and missiles (caldari)


yes other races use them but that doesn't change that they are the primary weapons of the race
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-01-25 23:22:51 UTC
I'd like to see it F.O.F. specialist.

No one likes fof missiles, I dunno why so....

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#32 - 2015-01-25 23:28:25 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
I'd like to see it F.O.F. specialist.

No one likes fof missiles, I dunno why so....




no missile ship should undock with out a few clips of FOF in case they are jammed

they are also really good for ships using non covert ops cloaks like an onyx sitting in a WH data site waiting for some poor sap to show up






problem with bonusing a ship around them is it would limit that ships use in even small gangs as you would probably hit friendlies more than your target.


risk of hitting friends and the fact that they provide lower DPS are the main to reasons few people use them
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-01-26 00:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
So, the light ones would be the common choice?

I really like Rockets, and maybe a time flight bonus to give u a more range and dps which rockets grant remain the same?

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#34 - 2015-01-26 00:58:20 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
It should be a missile boat in order to to offer more player choice. The thing is, light missiles are quite powerful. An option would be to let it be so but gimp its speed. The thing is, like we see with the Phoenix, if you fix it, it's OP, if you don't it's gimp. Making a T3 missile destroyer will be quite a challenge.

I also think the Gallant boat should have drone bonuses as opposed to blasters. Finally a potent drone boat without sentries. Is it possible?

Gila, Worm.

Honestly, I'd like a double optimal bonused rail ship for caldari. The comorant is already pretty good in the role, but we won't see a good rail sniper out of the gallente t3. Having buffed dps on a 100km destroyer would be pretty awesome. Also, small 5km optimal blaster boats are very fun. My biggest wish is for the gallente t3 dessie to be falloff + tracking bonused instead of optimal.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#35 - 2015-01-26 01:56:17 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
It should be a missile boat in order to to offer more player choice. The thing is, light missiles are quite powerful. An option would be to let it be so but gimp its speed. The thing is, like we see with the Phoenix, if you fix it, it's OP, if you don't it's gimp. Making a T3 missile destroyer will be quite a challenge.

I also think the Gallant boat should have drone bonuses as opposed to blasters. Finally a potent drone boat without sentries. Is it possible?

Gila, Worm.

Honestly, I'd like a double optimal bonused rail ship for caldari. The comorant is already pretty good in the role, but we won't see a good rail sniper out of the gallente t3. Having buffed dps on a 100km destroyer would be pretty awesome. Also, small 5km optimal blaster boats are very fun. My biggest wish is for the gallente t3 dessie to be falloff + tracking bonused instead of optimal.



but with the different modes a gale t3 could get a falloff and an optimal bonus fill both roles

and we really don't need a 100km desi that would be hell in FW
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#36 - 2015-01-26 02:33:55 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
It should be a missile boat in order to to offer more player choice. The thing is, light missiles are quite powerful. An option would be to let it be so but gimp its speed. The thing is, like we see with the Phoenix, if you fix it, it's OP, if you don't it's gimp. Making a T3 missile destroyer will be quite a challenge.

I also think the Gallant boat should have drone bonuses as opposed to blasters. Finally a potent drone boat without sentries. Is it possible?

Bolded for emphasis. Being the black sheep weapon system has that effect, sadly Sad
As for the Gallente hull, I would rather not see more drones. I think that Destroyers, even T3, should be gun platforms (turrets/launchers) and leave drones to other hull classes. I suspect that if the Gallente hull were to be drone based, the Caldari hull would be another rail platform and missiles would be left out. Also, I am hoping that CCP finds a good way to fix the drone/sentry situation, in which case there would be many viable drone platforms to fill this role.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-01-26 06:02:41 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
But I would settle for tech3 missile launchers:

80 light missiles per clip, can only be fit on Caldari tech3 destroyer, 6 of course and a rate of fire like rapid light launchers and 10 second reload time.

And loses you a rank of random relevant missile skill per module equipped on a ship destroyed.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-01-26 06:46:55 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Light missiles are already contentiously powerful. The T3 would be hideous with them Sad

CCP have altered each of the racial small weapons that match each T3 Destroyer at the same time as their release, I would expect the same to continue for light missile/ rockets with Caldari and Rails/Blasters for Gallenete


Indeed. If it is missile I expect significant nerfs.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#39 - 2015-01-26 06:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
I for one would prefer to see the Caldari destroyer be a potent railgun platform, just as the Corax is already a potent missile platform.

Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
its the same with minmatar where there are now 3 projects and 1 missile
Wait, what? Exactly how many destroyers do you think there are? Interdictors are not destroyers, they are interdictors and not part of this topic.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#40 - 2015-01-26 14:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I for one would prefer to see the Caldari destroyer be a potent railgun platform, just as the Corax is already a potent missile platform.

Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
its the same with minmatar where there are now 3 projects and 1 missile
Wait, what? Exactly how many destroyers do you think there are? Interdictors are not destroyers, they are interdictors and not part of this topic.



they are still destroyer class


and if we exclude them then there are about to be 5 turret based ones and only two missile based


and the cormorant is a potent rail plat form two of them can blab just about any frig or desi that heads into a small plex b4 the pilot can even begin moving after exiting warp