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Make Naga a Missile boat.
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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-03-29 10:03:17 UTC
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That is a matter of opinion.

It's a squishy, high priority target that can put out token DPS at best, and doesn't need weapons at all to do its job. Not really an opinion, more like common sense. If a ship has:
1. A very high chance of dying.
2. No actual use for said weapons.
Then fitting them does indeed seem like a bit of a waste.
Rimase
#82 - 2012-03-29 10:35:14 UTC

  • Amarr: Lasers
  • Minmatar: Projectiles
  • Gallente: Drones & Hybrids
  • Caldari: Missiles & Hybrids.


amirite? Shocked

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Tyran Scorpi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-03-29 13:51:44 UTC
Rimase wrote:

  • Amarr: Lasers
  • Minmatar: Projectiles
  • Gallente: Drones & Hybrids
  • Caldari: Missiles & Hybrids.


amirite? Shocked


Primary/Secondary
Amarr: Lasers/Missiles
Minmatar: Projectiles/Missiles
Gallente: Hybrids/Drones
Caldari: Missiles/Hybrids

I think this is slightly more accurate.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-03-29 16:03:59 UTC
Rimase wrote:

  • Amarr: Lasers
  • Minmatar: Projectiles
  • Gallente: Drones & Hybrids
  • Caldari: Missiles & Hybrids.


amirite? Shocked


It's not that simple. For Caldari, missiles and hybrids are far more equal in importance, relative to the two weapon lines of any other race, where there's a clear primary and secondary divisons.

With Caldari, there are entire lines of hybrid and missile boats, and, arguably, a third of ewar boats.
Katy Ling
Crimnson Concept Flame
#85 - 2012-03-29 16:31:33 UTC
Jiska Ensa wrote:
In order to get the most out of their race, Caldari must train missiles and hybrids.

In order to get the most out of their race, Gallente must train drones and hybrids.

I don't see the problem here.


the Talos uses hybrids, and has a small drone bay.

the Naga cannot use missiles, but it used to, in the test server phase.

- it would make perfect sense to be able to use missiles, besides hybrids and it would add more interest to the ships and you would expect the caldari Tier 3 Battlecruiser to use the guns that made Caldari famous for, the missile launchers.

and wile you're at it, all New Tier 3 bc's should have a small drone bay, anyway, not just the Talos.
Eva Yang
Oblivion Protocol
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#86 - 2012-03-29 21:12:53 UTC
just throwing this out there, if the naga is such a perfect hybrid boat, y do I never see any in sov space? I mean I see a lot of drakes, so would it not say that there are a lot of naga capable pilots? or do these drake pilots not like the naga?

Oh and thanks for all the posts.. :P
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-03-30 01:57:54 UTC
Katy Ling wrote:
Jiska Ensa wrote:
In order to get the most out of their race, Caldari must train missiles and hybrids.

In order to get the most out of their race, Gallente must train drones and hybrids.

I don't see the problem here.


the Talos uses hybrids, and has a small drone bay.

the Naga cannot use missiles, but it used to, in the test server phase.

- it would make perfect sense to be able to use missiles, besides hybrids and it would add more interest to the ships and you would expect the caldari Tier 3 Battlecruiser to use the guns that made Caldari famous for, the missile launchers.

and wile you're at it, all New Tier 3 bc's should have a small drone bay, anyway, not just the Talos.

So much derp here I'm not even sure where to start.
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#88 - 2012-03-30 04:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Unit XS365BT
Sigh... this argument may be old, but it still stands.

The Caldari invented and primarily use Railguns as their turret system.
The Gallente invented and primarily use Blasters as their turret system.

the Tier 3 battlecruisers were ALL meant to be large turret equipped battlecruisers.

there is no anti-caldari bias here. everything is working as intended.

a couple of notes on lore, as that was touched upon earlier...

Yes, the caldari favoured one man fighters over the larger, more cumbersome ships used by the federation navy.

the federation began to research drones, which started out as basically little more than rudimentary AI controlled bombs. In response the caldari began to upgrade their fighters, both sides upgrading their respective technologies over the course of the war until the drones used by the federation were almost up to hobgoblin standard and the one man fighters used by the caldari had evolved into the first generation of caldari frigates.

on a related note, the federation has many lumbering slow ships... in my experience the domi, mega and hype are all slower than a simillarly fitted raven.

anyways, to cut a long story short, railgun ships work well when you're skilled up for them, and the 5 second reload cycle makes them even more effective. the Naga is a good ship even without giving it torps or cruise missiles... while it may mean that caldari pilots have the same miss chance as the other 3 races... i don't see that as an issue.


Eva Yang... seeing many drake pilots does not in ANY WAY mean that there will be many naga pilots.... that is like saying 'you can fly a cruise misile raven really well.. so you should be able to do just as well in a rokh' ... see where that logic fails??

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-03-30 12:17:59 UTC
Basically: the Naga is fine as it is, stop trying to fix what isn't broken.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-03-30 14:39:45 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Caldari are missile based. Not Hybrid based.


Bad start, this is completely untrue.

Leaving disappointed.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#91 - 2012-03-31 22:56:56 UTC
Not supported.

And I am primarily a Caldari missile user.

Train for turrets.

It took me about 2 weeks to train for every basic turret (laser, hybrid, and projectile) of every size (small, medium and large) to level 3 (large requires gunnery 5, but is rank 1), plus turret support skills to level 3. I think I spent another week or so after that training all the turret support skills to level 4, which will soon be followed by all the turrets to level 4. I'm not a turret specialist (should be obvious that I prefer to be a jack-of-all-trades) but I am functional with them. That's all it takes to have fun.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#92 - 2012-04-01 10:14:38 UTC
Ironically the Naga is also the tier 3 that requires the least amount of training to get into as its bonuses mean even meta guns are almost as effective as tech 2 when used within its niche. (it doesnt need spikes range boost because it has one anyway and javelin just doesnt compare to faction antimatter)

Train Large Hybrids to 4 and decent support skills (which you need anyway) adn you already get 85-90% of the effectiveness of the t2 fit.

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Adunh Slavy
#93 - 2012-04-03 01:34:28 UTC
If rails sucked less, Caldari wouldn't be the missile spam race.

Caldari have a goofy philosophy. They're supposed to be the range race, except they can't dictate range. Fix the rails and give Caldari some much needed speed and you'd find those rail platforms much desired.

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