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Make Naga a Missile boat.
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Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#1 - 2011-11-30 20:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellz Hitman
Caldari are missile based. Not Hybrid based. If I wanted a hybrid boat I'd go for the Talos, which by the way is almost exactly the same. Why release a laser ship, a projectile boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced. That basically gives all missile users the finger, a caldari player have to skill up in Hybrid turrets just to use it. ((To clarify, I already have all the skills for large hybrid but alot of my corpies don't. They teched up to Ravens and scorps, so they cant use a ship of their own race because they don't have the weapons for it.))

Simply put, we don't need a hybrid ship, there were no missile ships released in this patch and there should have been. It's not fair for caldari players that you release two gallente ships in one patch.

-Hellz
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#2 - 2011-11-30 20:21:40 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Caldari are missile based. Not Gallente based. If I wanted a hybrid boat I'd go for the Talos, which by the way is almost exactly the same. Why release a beam ship, an artillery boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced. That basically gives all missile users the finger, a caldari player have to skill up in Hybrid turrets just to use it. ((To clarify, I already have all the skills for large hybrid but alot of my corpies don't. They teched up to Ravens and scorps, so they cant use a ship of their own race because they don't have the weapons for it.))

Simply put, we don't need a hybrid ship, there were no missile ships released in this patch and there should have been. It's not fair for caldari players that you release two gallente ships in one patch.

-Hellz


Tier 3 caldari ships are turret based. All is working as intended. Less tears, more pew pew.
Midori Tsu
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#3 - 2011-11-30 20:23:13 UTC
But you are wrong, caldari do use hybrids, look at the ferox, rokh, cormorant and assorted frigates.

If they can't use a ship of their own race because don't have the skill for it, it means that they are poorly skilled and should realise that theres more to caldari than just missiles.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#4 - 2011-11-30 20:24:54 UTC
But all of those give you the option of doing a hybrid/ missile boat. They give you the option of adding in missiles should you so desire, the Naga doesn't give you the same freedom. Therefore, not working as intended.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#5 - 2011-11-30 20:26:41 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
But all of those give you the option of doing a hybrid/ missile boat. They give you the option of adding in missiles should you so desire, the Naga doesn't give you the same freedom. Therefore, not working as intended.


Yeah I'm a big fan of my blaster/torp rokh.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#6 - 2011-11-30 20:31:57 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
But all of those give you the option of doing a hybrid/ missile boat. They give you the option of adding in missiles should you so desire, the Naga doesn't give you the same freedom. Therefore, not working as intended.


Yeah I'm a big fan of my blaster/torp rokh.
Well the thread's not about your sarcastic replies about whether or not you think a torp/blaster rokh is effective. The threads about the fact that we got 4 new ships released and 2 of them were almost identical, using the same weapon class, and missiles didn't get any sorta love this patch.
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2011-11-30 21:00:48 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
But all of those give you the option of doing a hybrid/ missile boat. They give you the option of adding in missiles should you so desire, the Naga doesn't give you the same freedom. Therefore, not working as intended.


Yeah I'm a big fan of my blaster/torp rokh.
Well the thread's not about your sarcastic replies about whether or not you think a torp/blaster rokh is effective. The threads about the fact that we got 4 new ships released and 2 of them were almost identical, using the same weapon class, and missiles didn't get any sorta love this patch.


You mean the jewcrew did not get any love from the new ships...am I right?
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#8 - 2011-11-30 21:05:54 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
But all of those give you the option of doing a hybrid/ missile boat. They give you the option of adding in missiles should you so desire, the Naga doesn't give you the same freedom. Therefore, not working as intended.


Yeah I'm a big fan of my blaster/torp rokh.
Well the thread's not about your sarcastic replies about whether or not you think a torp/blaster rokh is effective. The threads about the fact that we got 4 new ships released and 2 of them were almost identical, using the same weapon class, and missiles didn't get any sorta love this patch.


You mean the jewcrew did not get any love from the new ships...am I right?

Troll central up in here :P I suppose you are right ;P But I would like at least an explanation on why this happened, I understand that Caldari has a minor hybrid side to them, but to release two ships that are almost identical is kinda wrong. I can fly any of the new ones, but I started as a caldari player. I'd rather have a true caldari ship as my new play toy :P
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2011-11-30 21:13:25 UTC
I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#10 - 2011-11-30 21:19:11 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim.
True, but when you think of Amarr, you think of lasers, Minimatar is projectile weapons, Gallente is hybrids, and Caldari are missiles. Every other race got a ship in line with their primary weapons system, which ensures that a majority of the people that fly that race are able to effectively use the ship.
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2011-11-30 21:45:32 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim.
True, but when you think of Amarr, you think of lasers, Minimatar is projectile weapons, Gallente is hybrids, and Caldari are missiles. Every other race got a ship in line with their primary weapons system, which ensures that a majority of the people that fly that race are able to effectively use the ship.


if a player, focuses on only one weapon system, that supposedly belongs to that race of boats...like Missiles, then that player has effectively wiped out a huge portion of the boats that fall into their racial line, in which they can not fly effectively.

Amaar needs Lasers, Missiles and Drones.


ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2011-11-30 23:22:23 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim.
True, but when you think of Amarr, you think of lasers, Minimatar is projectile weapons, Gallente is hybrids, and Caldari are missiles. Every other race got a ship in line with their primary weapons system, which ensures that a majority of the people that fly that race are able to effectively use the ship.


Every race has a primary and secondary weapon system.

Gallente: Hybrids and drones.
Caldari: Hybrids and missiles.
Amarr: Lasers and missiles/drones.
Minmitar: Projectiles and missiles.

The only reason people THINK "Gallente's primary weapons are drones" and "Caldari's primary weapons are missiles" is because of the poor state that hybrid weapons have been in for so long. With the recent buff this is less the case.

How did you Veterans start?
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2011-12-01 00:06:37 UTC
I would think it should be missile boat, who says the 3ed ship should be rails. The rule was broken to start with because for BC's caldari have the ferox already which is basically a rail version of the drake.

Furthermore caldari are missile specialist, yes they should have gun options but most ships should be missiles. the 2/3 ratio should be maintained in any class of ships.

Most of all it is redundant, BC's use the same skill, if for some reason you have large hybrids and BC skill trained you can always use the gallente ship for nearly the same effect as the talos.
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2011-12-01 00:11:06 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim.
True, but when you think of Amarr, you think of lasers, Minimatar is projectile weapons, Gallente is hybrids, and Caldari are missiles. Every other race got a ship in line with their primary weapons system, which ensures that a majority of the people that fly that race are able to effectively use the ship.


Every race has a primary and secondary weapon system.

Gallente: Hybrids and drones.
Caldari: Hybrids and missiles.
Amarr: Lasers and missiles/drones.
Minmitar: Projectiles and missiles.

The only reason people THINK "Gallente's primary weapons are drones" and "Caldari's primary weapons are missiles" is because of the poor state that hybrid weapons have been in for so long. With the recent buff this is less the case.


Guess you make a point, it all depends on what ccp intends, if missiles are the primary or secondary weapon of caldari ships

But.... having two large hybrid ships for BC's is redundant, if you have bc to 4 and large hybrids to 4 your about as skilled in using either racial ship gallente and caldari, both tier 3 bcs which are glass cannons, so most bonuses are the same, along with fitting (many may opt for the most minimal of tank).
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
#15 - 2011-12-01 00:36:32 UTC
L2fit real weapons you caldari slime
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#16 - 2011-12-01 00:38:06 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim.
True, but when you think of Amarr, you think of lasers, Minimatar is projectile weapons, Gallente is hybrids, and Caldari are missiles. Every other race got a ship in line with their primary weapons system, which ensures that a majority of the people that fly that race are able to effectively use the ship.


Every race has a primary and secondary weapon system.

Gallente: Hybrids and drones.
Caldari: Hybrids and missiles.
Amarr: Lasers and missiles/drones.
Minmitar: Projectiles and missiles.

The only reason people THINK "Gallente's primary weapons are drones" and "Caldari's primary weapons are missiles" is because of the poor state that hybrid weapons have been in for so long. With the recent buff this is less the case.

Caldari: Missles and Hybrids

Not the other way around mate. Other wise you'd have two races with the same primary weapons systems which would be awkward and unbalanced.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2011-12-01 01:27:31 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Caldari are missile based. Not Gallente based. If I wanted a hybrid boat I'd go for the Talos, which by the way is almost exactly the same. Why release a beam ship, an artillery boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced. That basically gives all missile users the finger, a caldari player have to skill up in Hybrid turrets just to use it. ((To clarify, I already have all the skills for large hybrid but alot of my corpies don't. They teched up to Ravens and scorps, so they cant use a ship of their own race because they don't have the weapons for it.))

Simply put, we don't need a hybrid ship, there were no missile ships released in this patch and there should have been. It's not fair for caldari players that you release two gallente ships in one patch.

-Hellz


You already have the Drake as a missile thrower.

And, for PVP, you really need a good PVP battlecruiser that can do long range instant damage.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#18 - 2011-12-01 01:43:48 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:

Not the other way around mate. Other wise you'd have two races with the same primary weapons systems which would be awkward and unbalanced.

Roll You Do reliase Caldari and Gallante are from the same solar system right. The Caldrai were a part of the gallante Federation, So OF COURSE there main weapons are hybrids.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#19 - 2011-12-01 01:59:20 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Caldari are missile based. Not Gallente based. If I wanted a hybrid boat I'd go for the Talos, which by the way is almost exactly the same. Why release a beam ship, an artillery boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced. That basically gives all missile users the finger, a caldari player have to skill up in Hybrid turrets just to use it. ((To clarify, I already have all the skills for large hybrid but alot of my corpies don't. They teched up to Ravens and scorps, so they cant use a ship of their own race because they don't have the weapons for it.))

Simply put, we don't need a hybrid ship, there were no missile ships released in this patch and there should have been. It's not fair for caldari players that you release two gallente ships in one patch.

-Hellz



Every race uses multiple weapons systems. Some even use both armor and shield tanking. Caldari have plenty of very VERY good missile ships and now they have a viable hybrid boat, stop crying and train for the rest of your race's weapons, its your (or your corpies') fault for putting yourselves in a limited number of ships.


Also I like how you say the oracle is meant to use BEAMS Roll

Caldari tears best tears.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#20 - 2011-12-01 02:15:48 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Caldari are missile based. Not Gallente based. If I wanted a hybrid boat I'd go for the Talos, which by the way is almost exactly the same. Why release a beam ship, an artillery boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced. That basically gives all missile users the finger, a caldari player have to skill up in Hybrid turrets just to use it. ((To clarify, I already have all the skills for large hybrid but alot of my corpies don't. They teched up to Ravens and scorps, so they cant use a ship of their own race because they don't have the weapons for it.))

Simply put, we don't need a hybrid ship, there were no missile ships released in this patch and there should have been. It's not fair for caldari players that you release two gallente ships in one patch.

-Hellz



Every race uses multiple weapons systems. Some even use both armor and shield tanking. Caldari have plenty of very VERY good missile ships and now they have a viable hybrid boat, stop crying and train for the rest of your race's weapons, its your (or your corpies') fault for putting yourselves in a limited number of ships.


Also I like how you say the oracle is meant to use BEAMS Roll

Caldari tears best tears.

I said Lasers, didn't specify which. And I clearly stated multiple times that I have a good understanding that each race uses multiple weapons systems. I have good skills in just about everything. I can fly 3 races command ships, every cruiser, every BC with weapons, every battle ship, excepting t2 on some of them. I am quite well rounded. And with my corpies, some of them are new. Kinda hard to get leet skills in everything without sucking in everything. So they tend to train for the primary weapon groups for their race as it opens up the most ships for the least amount of training.

And to Doggy Dogwoofwoof, they may be from the same solar system, but they have radically different view points on just about everything :) I mean obviously caldari are meant to armor tank since they're from the same system as Gallente right Roll

Point still stands, every major weapons system except missiles had a new ship released. Caldari is and always has been primarily missile based, and this new addition skews the balance between hybrid and missile bc's. There are now 4 hybrid BC's while only one missile BC.
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