Crime & Punishment

Speaking as someone who seems to be stuck in High-Sec. This is too extreme. Isn't already really difficult to gank someone in a 1.0 or 0.9 system where you start off anyway? Can anyone give me stats on new players quiting because of code. I played for 1 year without never being ganked. Came back after quiting because the game was so boring and got ganked after about 4 months. Learned to tank my ships and have had gank attempts happen but none successfully after that.. more fun.

I mean in game, if you want to try to take down CODE, I'm willing to help. To take them down through nerfing, not interested.

Hi Sec antagonists win by blowing up people or otherwise hurting their bottom line. You want the big kill mails, and the humorous stories of others being careless. That's fine and I support that 100%, and even indulge in it from time to time. If you really wanted to defeat Hi Sec gankers, you'd deprive them of this victory condition by simply not being a valid target in the areas they almost exclusively operate, as well as encouraging others to do the same. Living where gankers congregate is giving them an open license for victimizing you, as well as making their victory condition easy to attain. You may win a battle with falcons or smartbombs or counterbumping or whatever, but you could potentially do a lot more to rob them of their jollies if targets moved out of Hi Sec. A causal perusing of killboards confirms the rather limited reach of most of the industrial strength ganking alliances, or at least the ones that make the most noise.

Jump Fatigue is not a problem at all. It has made my life considerably better, in fact.

Im not talking about your interpretation regarding that aspect of my sentence. Im talking about your inrepretation regarding how i said that Harshness is the central concept, but not the only central concept of Eve, in which you interpreted that to mean, despite the lack of the word "Only", I was claiming that there was only 1 central concept within Eve.



Maybe you should read the rest of my paragraph? You know, cause that statement is a part of the entire paragraph. Im not aware of anything within the blizzard forums of something that was complained and petitioned so much that Billzard actually had to post a topic stating their official stance on it, that was still stickied after 2 years, and people still actively post in it and discuss it and complain about it.



Your character was only active since 2007 so i thought you were a 2007 player, but okay.

Just because a game is harsh, doesnt mean that it is harsh in all manners and respects, no matter how you play or how you might go on to mitigate the risks and chances of losing all your stuff. After all, a game that is harsh just for the sake of being harsh is a stupid game.



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Im sure people like this would disagree with you.

But you make it sound as if people leave this game more because they were trolled, rather than because they lost almost all their assets in one swift swoop.

I mean, theres a thread here on C&P of a guy who was scammed out of his 300 dollars worth of plex, saying he was gonna leave this game for good. Do you honestly think that hes leaving because he was trolled, or because all of his assets were utterly and completely stolen?

Just train a grifin alt. and have ecm drones in your minning ship. ecm drone and jam the catayst then point the pod and force them to self destruct problem solved and you get to hold a pod for two minutes. Also make sure to ask for a gf in local as well. Why tank a ship when you can bait tank it and have a good laugh.

I was interpreting it the way it was written. You said "the central concept" which doesn't actually make sense when talking about more than one thing. Anyway, enough arguing over semantics.

I did read your sentence, and what it basically boiled down to is "would WoW be more harsh f WoW was more harsh". That doesn't really affect EVE. I'm not saying i's impossible for a game to be harsh, what I was saying is that the fact that people complain about losses in games doesn't make them harsh, as evidenced by people complaining about themepark MMOs.

Second character which rapidly became my main.

Indeed, but it does need to be harsh in at least some respects. The only things that people say are harsh in EVE are thing which boil down to requiring isk to replace (scams, ship explosion, podding) and as ISK is easy to make while asleep, it pretty much makes any loss irrelevant.

When they put in forced permadeath or loss of serious SP on ship loss or even just made it significantly harder to replace your losses, I might agree it's harsh. All that really differentiates EVE from other games at the moment is that scams and emergent gameplay considered bannable in other games because they generally promote spamming and antisocial behaviour isn't bannable here.

I'm sure some people would disagree. Look around the forums and you'll find people disagreeing with thins that are clearly true. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean they are right. Certainly from a mechanics standpoint, the game isn't designed to be particularly harsh on newbies. The only reason they get more losses than anyone else is because they haven't learned to dodge the players who farm them for easy kills yet.

I'd bet that considerably more people leave because of the way they are treated socially within the game than from losing their ships. Sure, you can point to a thread where someone is leaving because he dumped a sum of real life cash into the game and got it robbed almost immediately, but that in itself doesn't prove that people leave from the losses. I'm sure some quit over losing their stuff, that always going to happen, but what tends to get people upset to the point of ragequit is when they get bombarded with insults and purposely prodded and poked until they are stressed out. For many bittervets, it's not good enough that they destroy someone's ship, they want them to cry about it.

[The code always wins right? Isnt that what they say? Anybody can set their own conditions for victory, thats the nature of the sandbox. In this instance code decided that culling the dumbest 2% of the herd in hisec is their big win. Congrats I guess.
Kind of reminds me of Homer and Bart playing that boxing game and right as Homer is about to finally get his first win Bart unplugs the console and declares himself retired grand champion for life.

Such a sick burn, never heard this sick burn. 2004 called and wants its sick burns back for the insult ward.

You have the correct attitude towards us.

Personally, if someone quits Eve because they were ganked, then they would have quit eventually due to something else. Those who get ganked and learn from it, or manage to go a long time without being ganked, are players who can and maybe will remain in Eve. Eve is a cold hard place, if new players can't take a hit on the chin, they won't last whether we gank them or not.

Back when I was mining I only got ganked once, and it took 10 Test Alliance catalysts to kill a single one of my Mackinaws and the second target warped off in half shields. I didn't complain, I congratulated them as being the first ones to succeed. Besides, they brought enough firepower they deserved the kill.

And yes, ganking in a 1.0 or 0.9 is quite difficult, you need to bring way more firepower than you actually want to. We spent 150 million ganking a guy who was live streaming with no delay, he was flying a retriever in a 1.0 system. What we brought was overkill, but it gives you an idea.

This actually isn't a bad idea, I doubt it would ever be pushed through though.

Yield my friend is the reason why to use a T2 barge, and they also have better caps and can fit better tanks. Problem is most miners have never heard of fitting a tank. I stopped flying Hulks and went to Skiffs. The reason is simple. The massive tank you can fit. 71K EHP without boosts vs 10K EHP on a hulk. Sure I give up a some yield, but I would see the gank fleet it would take to take down my Skiffs the moment they came in the system. Skiffs are notorious for the amount of firepower it takes to bring one down.