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Liewe Lullu
Band Of Mothers
#1 - 2015-01-22 13:03:51 UTC
So, I was doing a level 4 in Nalvula, Lonetrek when I was scrambled by TheMask in a Loki. I offered ransom and we agreed to an amount which I eventually paid. He, never the less, continued to kill my ship.

Now, I understand the dynamics of EVE and the fact that pirates can kill you anywhere they want and it is part of the game. Although it is a pain for me, I don't complain about it, because that is EVE. However, I think it is really unethical for someone to ransom you and still kill you after you have paid. Again, I suppose this is part of EVE.

None the less, if anyone would be so kind as to cost him a lot of ISK, that would be highly appreciated.
Catalytic morphisis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-01-22 13:08:13 UTC
Unfortunately for you, This is indeed EVE and although you deem it as unethical, He felt it was acceptable to kill you, Now doing level 4s in a low sec system is just not a great idea, I'd suggest find somewhere that is only going to give you high sec missions and this won't happen

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-01-22 13:12:56 UTC
Liewe Lullu wrote:
So, I was doing a level 4 in Nalvula, Lonetrek when I was scrambled by TheMask in a Loki. I offered ransom and we agreed to an amount which I eventually paid. He, never the less, continued to kill my ship.

Now, I understand the dynamics of EVE and the fact that pirates can kill you anywhere they want and it is part of the game. Although it is a pain for me, I don't complain about it, because that is EVE. However, I think it is really unethical for someone to ransom you and still kill you after you have paid. Again, I suppose this is part of EVE.

None the less, if anyone would be so kind as to cost him a lot of ISK, that would be highly appreciated.


Please dont try to bring any more ethics discussions into this sub forum. Before you know it we will get the name callers and cyber-bully theorists going and this will be 30 pages. Its a game about blowing up things and stealing. He did both, bravo to him.

BUT -

Also SHAME on him. I honor ransoms (in the rare event I offer them). Dishonoring your promised ransom amount is a good way to make sure others wont pay in the future.

Honestly, I blame the proliferation of killboards. People care waaaay too much about the color of their KB these days. Its a fun tool to toss around, but it doesnt really MEAN anything, especially considering that the biggest wins in EVE cant show up on KBs. (Ransoms, stolen assets, AWOX without kills, spy ops, ect.)

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Liewe Lullu
Band Of Mothers
#4 - 2015-01-22 13:20:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Liewe Lullu
I agree with the fact that this is EVE and that "unethical" behavior is part of it. But , it would still be really nice if he could loose a lot ISK because of the way he does things :)

This is a request for revenge rather than a rant about unethical behavior .
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-01-22 13:27:07 UTC
Liewe Lullu wrote:
I agree with the fact that this is EVE and that "unethical" behavior is part of it. But , it would still be really nice if he could loose a lot ISK because of the way he does things :)

This is a request for revenge rather than a rant about unethical behavior .


You are doing your request for revenge wrong though.

Why would anybody go after him just for you? What is in it for us?

See how that works?

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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-01-22 15:42:10 UTC
Liewe Lullu wrote:
So, I was doing a level 4 in Nalvula, Lonetrek when I was scrambled by TheMask in a Loki. I offered ransom and we agreed to an amount which I eventually paid. He, never the less, continued to kill my ship.

Now, I understand the dynamics of EVE and the fact that pirates can kill you anywhere they want and it is part of the game. Although it is a pain for me, I don't complain about it, because that is EVE. However, I think it is really unethical for someone to ransom you and still kill you after you have paid. Again, I suppose this is part of EVE.

None the less, if anyone would be so kind as to cost him a lot of ISK, that would be highly appreciated.


Yeah, i prefer people to honor their ransom, but if put in the same position, i would probably not honor a ransom. Its also why i never offer or accept ransoms. Whenever someone offers me a ransom, i always tell them "Sorry, im not a pirate, im a PVPer."

In any case, your "appreciation" in the form of isk would be much more highly appreciated by the people who will kill this guy. Maybe try and offer people 500 mill isk or something to anyone who can cause 600 mill in damage to him?

Also, youre a 2008 player, and yet youve never heard of a situation where a pirate didnt honor the ransom?
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#7 - 2015-01-22 16:37:41 UTC
If you are doing l4's in low, your attitude shouldn't be "What happens if I get jumped in the mission?".

It should be, "I'm going to get jumped in my mission, and had better plan accordingly."

That means going in combat (ie, PVP) fit, and hopefully having a bunch of drooling teenagers lurking next system over in assault frigates/cruisers...that you are fleeted up with...:)

And then you rack up dem Loki kills, until they figure out you is bait, you betcha!

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Liewe Lullu
Band Of Mothers
#8 - 2015-01-22 17:17:19 UTC
Thanks Mike, that is actually a very good idea. :)
Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2015-01-22 17:42:08 UTC
Where have all the good pirates gone?

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-01-22 22:35:55 UTC
An ok movie with Jim carey I give it a 7/10

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Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#11 - 2015-01-23 17:28:12 UTC
TLDR version of OP:

There are L4 mission boat kills to be had in Nalvula system, Lonetrek region.
Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-01-25 10:55:32 UTC
That's what I love about Eve, it's so close to real life.

So you're about to get mugged, and you offer the criminal more money? And you are surprised that the mugger didn't abide by your standards of right and wrong? And you complain it was unethical for him to steal your money?

You obviously did not grow up in a large City.

Chalk this up to a great life lesson. Be thankful it was learned in Eve.

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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-27 01:46:28 UTC
I have had ransoms respected but its about building relationship with your targets...funny thing to say I know

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#14 - 2015-01-27 02:18:57 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Honestly, I blame the proliferation of killboards. People care waaaay too much about the color of their KB these days. Its a fun tool to toss around, but it doesnt really MEAN anything, especially considering that the biggest wins in EVE cant show up on KBs. (Ransoms, stolen assets, AWOX without kills, spy ops, ect.)

Love your post and outlook, but don't quite agree fully on this point.

I've never seen anything wrong with killboards. Like many parts of the game it's just more statistics, another spreadsheet, another thing that is somewhat symbolic - A score card in some ways, for some. No shame in loving your killboard stats and making it one of your game goals to keep a good looking one.

I don't care two ***** about ISK myself, and in a scenario such as the OP I would have (and have before) refused to ransom, ignored the convo and just took the kill because that's more important to me. I'd never try to have my cake and eat it too though, and for the pilot in question to do that reflects on his own honor rather than anything to do with killboards' influence imo.

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Nalia White
Tencus
#15 - 2015-01-27 15:18:41 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
That's what I love about Eve, it's so close to real life.

So you're about to get mugged, and you offer the criminal more money? And you are surprised that the mugger didn't abide by your standards of right and wrong? And you complain it was unethical for him to steal your money?

You obviously did not grow up in a large City.

Chalk this up to a great life lesson. Be thankful it was learned in Eve.


Somehow this disturbs me. Sounds like it's ok to be a mugger in real life oO

However it's good that people tell in the forums if someone doesn't honor ransoms. True pirates would have it much easier if the wannabe pirates were filtered out this way...

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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-01-30 11:19:34 UTC
Nalia White wrote:


Somehow this disturbs me. Sounds like it's ok to be a mugger in real life oO

However it's good that people tell in the forums if someone doesn't honor ransoms. True pirates would have it much easier if the wannabe pirates were filtered out this way...


My point: Never pay ransoms, and if you do, you should be pleasantly surprised if it all works out for you.

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Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-01-30 12:53:14 UTC
And it's people like themask that had ruined ransom for The rest of us. Good old fashioned pirates. That live by our word
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#18 - 2015-01-30 14:47:07 UTC
Liewe Lullu wrote:
So, I was doing a level 4 in Nalvula, Lonetrek when I was scrambled by TheMask in a Loki. I offered ransom and we agreed to an amount which I eventually paid. He, never the less, continued to kill my ship.

Now, I understand the dynamics of EVE and the fact that pirates can kill you anywhere they want and it is part of the game. Although it is a pain for me, I don't complain about it, because that is EVE. However, I think it is really unethical for someone to ransom you and still kill you after you have paid. Again, I suppose this is part of EVE.

None the less, if anyone would be so kind as to cost him a lot of ISK, that would be highly appreciated.
This is why you don't pay ransoms. If you find yourself in a situation where you aren't going to win, accept your fate, 'gf' in local and get ready to evac your pod (if able).

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