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Wormholes and clones

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Spud Lazair
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-01-22 11:45:32 UTC
Why are we not allowed to have a clone in a wormhole? is it that different from any other sector of eve where we can have a clone. If someone be it a lone pilot or a corp build a Pos why can they not also have a medical facility to have a clone based in the wh.

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#2 - 2015-01-22 11:55:19 UTC
No.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-01-22 11:57:37 UTC
Because!

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-01-22 12:19:07 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Because!

To elaborate a little more; because ccp doesn't like us.

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HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-01-22 12:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
No, because it's not helpful. I wouldn't like it! It would be terrible because it would make life in wormholes easier. If I wanted it easy I would live in 0.0!

And yes, CCP doesn't like wormholers. Agree with you on that point!

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#6 - 2015-01-22 13:49:13 UTC
Its generally considering jumping into wormhole space = bad

But being able to change clones in a wormhole is a feature long asked for and iirc CCP said they would look into it after the POS restructure.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#7 - 2015-01-22 13:49:25 UTC
People have asked for a way to swap clones in a pos (changing into different implant sets).

But medical cloning would wreck wormhole space.

Yaay!!!!

Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2015-01-22 14:15:11 UTC
Jump cloning into w-space would be really handy, and it could also help repopulate wormholes as people could more often jump to run sites, and then jump back to K-space to pvp when the wallet is happy again. Without the tedious and boring busywork of traveling via random connections.

No medical clones ofc.



Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-01-22 14:41:37 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
HoruSeth wrote:
Because!

To elaborate a little more; because ccp doesn't like us.

Just for clarity, i dont think we should be jumping between k-space and wh space, that seems broken and not what wh space is about, but being able to switch implant sets should be made available to us.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2015-01-22 14:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Jump clones would break wormholes even harder than medical clones. So, again: No.

Switching implant sets would be convenient, but taking away the trade off of making fitting choices in wormholes is not necessarily a good thing either.
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-01-22 14:55:31 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Jump cloning into w-space would be really handy, and it could also help repopulate wormholes as people could more often jump to run sites, and then jump back to K-space to pvp when the wallet is happy again. Without the tedious and boring busywork of traveling via random connections.

No medical clones ofc.






Was that an argument FOR or AGAINST? B/c there are already plenty of K-space farming groups that hardly make any content for the rest of us. I don't think bringing in more of them would be good for anything other than their wallets.

There are already plenty of null groups with farming alts in WH space. Don't encourage them.

That said, switching clones in POS is good. CCPlease

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#12 - 2015-01-22 15:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Jump cloning into w-space would be really handy, and it could also help repopulate wormholes as people could more often jump to run sites, and then jump back to K-space to pvp when the wallet is happy again. Without the tedious and boring busywork of traveling via random connections.

No medical clones ofc.






Was that an argument FOR or AGAINST? B/c there are already plenty of K-space farming groups that hardly make any content for the rest of us. I don't think bringing in more of them would be good for anything other than their wallets.

There are already plenty of null groups with farming alts in WH space. Don't encourage them.

That said, switching clones in POS is good. CCPlease


As an alternative it would be nice if implants/hardwires and clones were completely seperate.

Implants switched at will, either physically or using a licence system like skins would work.
And jump clones for bouncing around Known space.

I am guessing, after seeing the kerr nano coating demo on the o7 stream that that might be possible? If so I would love it, you buy a range of implants and switch at will?

Naturally those who like expensive pod losses on killboards would be dissatisfied, but the game design is not based around satisfying kill boards is it?

I do feel that NOT being able to Jump clone into wormholes actually benefits wormhole space. Though of course some days, being lazy would be nice. However overall I am quite happy it remains so you cannot. It would unbalance POS and Hole defence if it was allowed.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2015-01-22 15:24:52 UTC
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:

Was that an argument FOR or AGAINST? B/c there are already plenty of K-space farming groups that hardly make any content for the rest of us. I don't think bringing in more of them would be good for anything other than their wallets.

There are already plenty of null groups with farming alts in WH space. Don't encourage them.

That said, switching clones in POS is good. CCPlease


More of a case of what would be "good" for some can be different from "good" for others. Jump clones would be a QOL improvement, just like clone switching.
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-01-22 15:56:43 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:


More of a case of what would be "good" for some can be different from "good" for others. Jump clones would be a QOL improvement, just like clone switching.


Only for the farmers and non-committed-W-space residents. I don't care to encourage more of either of those groups.

It's laughably simply to get back to a WH in an interceptor. Near zero risk and very fast.

Jump cloning to a WH would sidestep the need for a defender to regain hole control. Hole control is VERY central to WH life and defense. This change would break that.

I don't expect jump clones in WH space anytime soon, and I would not welcome them. Even if it is a QOL improvement.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2015-01-22 16:32:57 UTC
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:


More of a case of what would be "good" for some can be different from "good" for others. Jump clones would be a QOL improvement, just like clone switching.


Only for the farmers and non-committed-W-space residents. I don't care to encourage more of either of those groups.

It's laughably simply to get back to a WH in an interceptor. Near zero risk and very fast.

Jump cloning to a WH would sidestep the need for a defender to regain hole control. Hole control is VERY central to WH life and defense. This change would break that.

I don't expect jump clones in WH space anytime soon, and I would not welcome them. Even if it is a QOL improvement.


Inties are fast, but travelling and scanning routes still takes time that could better be spent PVPing. I don't think EVE needs this kind of time sinks. PVE is enough tedious and boring as it is, so anything that minimizes the time spent on it is good for the game.

Make it so that jump clones couldn't be used when the POS is under attack. Or the array/Rorq/whatever couldn't be used inside force field? Wouldn't hurt your niche scenarios either.



MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-01-22 17:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: MooMooDachshundCow
Aiyshimin wrote:
Inties are fast, but travelling and scanning routes still takes time that could better be spent PVPing. I don't think EVE needs this kind of time sinks. PVE is enough tedious and boring as it is, so anything that minimizes the time spent on it is good for the game.

Make it so that jump clones couldn't be used when the POS is under attack. Or the array/Rorq/whatever couldn't be used inside force field? Wouldn't hurt your niche scenarios either.


I suppose an array with very low HP that could not be used while reinforced might be an OK mix in regards to invasions. I would consider making it anchor away from a POS so it would be laughably easy to attack. Maybe at a planet like a POCO, maybe only at the sun.

Still, this would allow k-spacers to show up for their strategic fights in null easily, then jump back to WH space to run escalations. This is exactly what we don't need more of. There are too many of them already, and each extra carebear or PI pos only servers to increase Bob's righteous anger towards these worthless apostates.

You know what is greatest and best in life Aiyshimin? To crush nullbears, to see them driven from Anoikis, and to hear the lamentation of their Juden.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2015-01-22 18:09:45 UTC
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:


Still, this would allow k-spacers to show up for their strategic fights in null easily, then jump back to WH space to run escalations. This is exactly what we don't need more of. There are too many of them already, and each extra carebear or PI pos only servers to increase Bob's righteous anger towards these worthless apostates.

You know what is greatest and best in life Aiyshimin? To crush nullbears, to see them driven from Anoikis, and to hear the lamentation of their Juden.


Think positively, jump clones would give you more nullbears to crush and drive from Anoikis! Imagine all the lamentation. Or at least the lamentation of their alts.

Nitris Denitrace
WeebFleet
Tsundere Triad
#18 - 2015-01-22 19:27:48 UTC
There are no stations in Wormhole space, thus there are no clone vats to recreate your body from. Canonically speaking I'm not even sure how your pod transmits the information of your death and your conscious when we aren't entirely certain where exactly wormhole space is.


On the other hand, you can fit clone bay vats to Rorquals so....theoretically you should be able to jump clone back to the Rorq but I've only seen a Rorq once and that was in Barleguet. Good luck with that endeavor, boy.


Honestly though, getting back to your home system really isn't that difficult unless you live in a C6 or somethin. Find yourself a C3 or lower and find the K-Space and you're back in. *confetti*
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-01-22 19:55:33 UTC
As Nitris said, "Rorqual." I know it sounds trite, but that is going to be the best way to achieve your vision. It's not unheard of for these beasts to be built and deployed in J systems that they will never be able to leave.

Run sites. Learn capital escalation. It's a pair of lofty goals but achievable if they're what you really want. Then build. Remember that. Do not buy, build. But if you do decide to buy and can't figure out how to get it home, please come here for advice.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-01-22 20:07:59 UTC
You can't jump clone to a WH, rorq or otherwise. There are POS mods for mineral compression now.

Why would you want a Rorqual in a WH again?

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

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