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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#161 - 2015-02-11 21:32:24 UTC
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CCP Sharq also talked about simplifying corporation management for new corporations. And example is that you only start with a single wallet division and a single hanger, and you could add more if you needed them rather than just have lots at the beginning.

Sugar Kyle asked about being able to split the naming from wallet divisions and corporation hangers.


OH YES PLEASE!

Also, it would be nice if pilots could create their own wallet divisions. It would also be nice if POS usage fees could be paid from personal wallets.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#162 - 2015-02-11 21:45:16 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:
The word "society" might make some folks think of "high society," a place where tea and cakes are served at noon, and everyone has to wear nice clothes. Words like "club, group, organization" don't carry that possible connotation.


We really shouldn't be worried about it being a turn off. "Society" is just code for where the High Falootin' do the dirty doin's.


And using words other than "Society" mean you lose the import of prepending "Secret" :)

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#163 - 2015-02-11 22:56:12 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
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There were also some questions about the number of PLEX used for other services, especially multiple character training. At this point, CCP Foxfour also explained that they wanted to move away from people directly buying PLEX and instead move to people just buy AUR. This AUR could then instead just be used to buy PLEX from the NES store along with everything that is currently using PLEX, moving from a three currency system to a two currency system. There were questions about whether it would be possible to directly trade AUR for ISK on the market. CCP Cognac responded that there are no plans to do so. Sugar Kyle brought up the topic of sending AUR to other players. It was explained that while it would be desirable in some contexts (such as gifting someone else some AUR) there are some issues, including some legal ones that need to be covered.


So if I read this correctly, the way to do RMT in the future will be Buy Aurum -> Trade for PLEX -> Sell PLEX on market, just like every other NEX item?

I'm also wondering how gifting Aurum to people would be any different to contracting them a PLEX with no fee. Well, apart from the free Aurum a bunch of us received as part of various celebrations.


It wouldn't. In principle, it never really was, since AUR store goodies could be traded for ISK, and they could be traded for PLEX.

But yes, in future, the relationship will be more direct. That's why you're exceedingly unlikely to see any more such gifts in any meaningful quantity, or at least unless and until CCP are really desperate.

The Aurum mountain left over from the Incarna era has been a stumbling block in the way of NeX/NES/Whatever it's bloody called now reform for years. The MCT cert was a very clever, revenue-neutral (or perhaps even revenue positive) way of clearing that mountain out. Now that it's gone, the way is clear for CCP to deploy AUR products & services in a more rational way. As long as they steer well clear of anything that has direct in-game effects, I'm fine with that, and so should you be too.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#164 - 2015-02-12 02:39:04 UTC
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CCP Delegate Zero brought up that they're thinking about how they should be trying to introduce that PLEX exists. Sugar Kyle responded that she sees PLEX being discussed continuously in the Rookie Help chat and this is quite often doing the introduction for CCP. CCP Delegate Zero then asked where the gap was then that required education. Sugar Kyle then elaborated that it was regarding that PLEX should only be purchased from CCP or their authorized sellers, but that other people had expressed concern regarding breaking immersion in game. CCP Skrekur brought up the ideas of player specific messaging that would be aimed at players rather than characters. These messages would show up on the character selection screen. Corebloodbrothers brought up that this doesn't solve the issue present here as it doesn't target those new players looking at PLEX. He suggested that CCP add a link to an external page giving more page.


… external page giving more page?

Seriously though, I think the concern here is merited. New players are introduced to the idea of PLEX by word of mouth, which is usually not accompanied by admonishments about trading with dirty scumbags on the Internet who steal your credit card details.

How do we provide warnings about what is and is not a legitimate PLEX seller, without breaking immersion inside the game?

I think the simpler issue is how to address the issue of RMT in general (especially since the intent is to sell Aurum, with PLEX being a NEX item).

My suggestion would be to a) ensure that you have a current email address for all subscribers, then b) include warning/admonishment about illegitimate RMT through the newsletter.

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Harry Saq
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#165 - 2015-03-05 22:31:06 UTC
CCP, can you please release the redacted portions of the minutes relating to SOV prior to the election ending in 5 days?