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The Fire of Faith: Postponed

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Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-01-22 21:43:30 UTC
Burning of heretics.. And may I ask Savonarola-haani, what makes a heretic? And would i be considered amongst them for not believe the Amarrian faith? Or is a heretic those who have turned away from your faith?
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2015-01-22 22:20:22 UTC
Alexi Drakenovic wrote:
Burning of heretics.. And may I ask Savonarola-haani, what makes a heretic? And would i be considered amongst them for not believe the Amarrian faith? Or is a heretic those who have turned away from your faith?


Strictly speaking a heretic is someone who misappropriates the Faith and its practices. They amend or add tenets to the Faith and create a warped, misinterpreted version. Someone who turns away from the Faith is an apostate. Which of these is a greater form of spiritual death is unknown to me.

You, as an non-believer who I presume did not turn away from the Faith, are not a heretic or an apostate but a heathen. That word has developed a very negative connotation. What it really means is you are one who does not yet know the Truth but who has every opportunity to do so. A Wayward Brother.

If you wish to know more, and if the Contessa would have you, I am sure many of the Faithful will be present and willing to share their knowledge with you. I myself will be present but am unlikely to be of any further help in regards to theology.

Contessa you may consider this my RSVP.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-01-22 22:29:57 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Alexi Drakenovic wrote:
Burning of heretics.. And may I ask Savonarola-haani, what makes a heretic? And would i be considered amongst them for not believe the Amarrian faith? Or is a heretic those who have turned away from your faith?


Strictly speaking a heretic is someone who misappropriates the Faith and its practices. They amend or add tenets to the Faith and create a warped, misinterpreted version. Someone who turns away from the Faith is an apostate. Which of these is a greater form of spiritual death is unknown to me.

You, as an non-believer who I presume did not turn away from the Faith, are not a heretic or an apostate but a heathen. That word has developed a very negative connotation. What it really means is you are one who does not yet know the Truth but who has every opportunity to do so. A Wayward Brother.

If you wish to know more, and if the Contessa would have you, I am sure many of the Faithful will be present and willing to share their knowledge with you. I myself will be present but am unlikely to be of any further help in regards to theology.

Contessa you may consider this my RSVP.


Thank you very much Tash-Murkon-haan, i trust it will be an enlightening experience to learn more about our allies and friends, i look forward to learning and discussing more with you and your brothers of the faith, I hope you can all teach me something new and treat me as an equal.

And thank you for explaining that for me, i was curious
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#24 - 2015-01-22 22:47:17 UTC
Burning of people. I guess I shouldn't be surprised the rumors were true. So these are your civilized and enlightened True Amarr, little kin? These are the ones you would willingly see inflicted upon New Eden. This is why I will never stop fighting. The mad individuals like Nauplius and the rest of the blooders, Sansha and others are just that. Delusional madmen that are easily recognized as such.

This, however? Otherwise rational, clever and skillful men and women who still somehow thinks it's a good thing to burn other men and women, in the name of a faith. I can't imagine a more dangerous enemy of New Eden.
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-01-22 23:25:06 UTC
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Burning of people. I guess I shouldn't be surprised the rumors were true. So these are your civilized and enlightened True Amarr, little kin? These are the ones you would willingly see inflicted upon New Eden. This is why I will never stop fighting. The mad individuals like Nauplius and the rest of the blooders, Sansha and others are just that. Delusional madmen that are easily recognized as such.

This, however? Otherwise rational, clever and skillful men and women who still somehow thinks it's a good thing to burn other men and women, in the name of a faith. I can't imagine a more dangerous enemy of New Eden.


It is their faith, and their people, I am assuming they are Amarrian and not Minmatar slaves.. I hope this is the fact, if it is their own people though who are we to judge? The Amarr hold religion above life, almost like a law, and they follow that, just as Caldarin citizens are bound by State Law's, and as are the Gallente and the Minmatar, even the pirate groups of New Eden have laws and religions, and if they break those laws, those religions, they are killed depending on the seriousness of the crime, that happens all over New Eden, the Amarr merely take care of it there own way, we can not judge, for we treat people we consider criminals with punishments equal to their crime, for the Amarr their religion is their life, and their number reason for living, despite what you my think of it, they are not so much different, what is the difference of a Caldarin CEO being hung for breaking the States laws, and for a Amarrian killing one of their own for breaking their religion or attempting to subvert it, their is no difference in the long run, I'm sure your people have a way of dealing with whom they consider traitors, do they not? The Amarr do not call you out on this.

Think about it, is there really so much difference between one of your own committing your equivalent of a capital crime, and being executed for it, compared to a Amarrian breaking their laws and being executed?

There religion is there life, it is their way, their faith, we may or may not agree with all of it, but the same can be said of all our races practices, and to the Amarr, their religion is the law, the one true law if I'm not mistaken, it is what they live for, if someone breaks that, and it is serious crime (trying to subvert it or use it to there advantage or gains) then they deserve to be executed, just as i believe a citizen of the state should be executed for breaking our laws and practices.
Erin Savonarola
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-01-23 02:08:13 UTC
Let me clarify my statement: Blood Raider heretics. If one murders and kidnaps and generally does all those despicable things Blood Raiders do, I burn them. Apologies for the confusion. In my own little part of Amarr, if someone says heretic, it is almost always assumed to be Sani Sabik.
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-01-23 02:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexi Drakenovic
Erin Savonarola wrote:
Let me clarify my statement: Blood Raider heretics. If one murders and kidnaps and generally does all those despicable things Blood Raiders do, I burn them. Apologies for the confusion. In my own little part of Amarr, if someone says heretic, it is almost always assumed to be Sani Sabik.


From what little i know of the Sani Sabik, keep in mind i am a military commander, so i know little of the history, so if i get it wrong please correct me, but the Sani Sabik were the precursors to the Blood Raiders, and they were the ones who originally mutated and changed the teachings of the Amarri (i do apologise, but i do not know the actual name of your religion, I'm sure i will be informed at the festival) and made a warped version of it, believing they were born "higher" then the rest of New Eden and that everyone else was born to serve, they sacrificed people for the blood and did strange rituals, they even took poeple against there will, which the Blood Raiders still do today if i am informed correctly, my expertise is in Gurista's, so apologies if i am misinformed, but if this is true.. That would make you worse then the Amarr, would it not? They kill those who trespass against them an destroy or attempt to subvert their faith, their life.. But Blood Raiders and by extension Sani Sabik, with the exception of the Gallente groups, i am given to believe they use each others blood, still just as disturbing, but Blood Raiders kidnap innocents and sacrifice them, even people who are not Sani Sabik in origin, the Amarr punish their own, they don't walk into a Gallente settlement and burn them all because they do not share the same faith.

In this Savonarola-hanni, i agree with you, the Sani Sabik are a dark and subverted cult that has taken your faith and attempted the darken its light, you will hear no protest from me, but i will not celebrate death, though i condone it, i am looking forward to learning more about the Amarrian way.
Erin Savonarola
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-01-23 04:06:01 UTC
It is not a celebration. The Triumph of the Light comes at the end of the Week of Sorrow and Reflection. I really did not want to get diverted onto this as the opening festival is nothing like this one.
Arkon Sarain
Kor-Azor Roving Tribunal
#29 - 2015-01-23 07:01:31 UTC
The Contessa della Solfete

Dear Lady Erin Savonarola,

I would be honoured to attend the festival with your permission of course.

Eagerly anticipating your reply.

Respectfully,

Arkon Sarain

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin."

The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Arkon's Adagia

Taso Rova
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#30 - 2015-01-23 07:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Taso Rova
To the dearest Contessa Della Solfete

You seem to believe i am horribly undereducated on the matters of my faith.

So why not use this time as a chance to educate this misguided child?

If you will have me i will gladly bring my heinous body to this most holy festival

I cannot wait to see your reply.

With joy


CEO of Crown Commerce and Trade Organization.
Taso Rova
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#31 - 2015-01-23 08:41:37 UTC
Amarr burning other Amarr?

Win-win.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-01-23 09:15:12 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Amarr burning other Amarr?

Win-win.


Nah, I think this is pretty mundane thing in the Amarr Empire. Accusing each other of heresy and the burning thing.

More 'business-as-usual'.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#33 - 2015-01-23 11:36:52 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Amarr burning other Amarr?

Win-win.


How much do you want to bet it's hardly exclusive to "other Amarr"? I am pretty sure these don't count as "Amarr" either.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-01-23 11:41:47 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Amarr burning other Amarr?

Win-win.


How much do you want to bet it's hardly exclusive to "other Amarr"? I am pretty sure these don't count as "Amarr" either.


If he isn't Amarr or adherent of the Faith (or its interpretation), he is not a heretic but a heathen.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#35 - 2015-01-23 12:22:46 UTC
I was raised in that very faith and so were many others. I'd actually bet there's more of foreign blood than True Amarr in that faith, or heretics/heathens thereof.
Average Space Elf
Praise Coleslaw
#36 - 2015-01-23 20:24:50 UTC
Since my question was (rather rudely) ignored, I'll assume the real festivities kick in sometime after the feast, and will plan accordingly.

If you lack a location for the afterparty, I might be able to provide.
U'tah Arareb
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-01-23 22:23:24 UTC
God willing I shall be happy to attend. Hail Amarr!
Erin Savonarola
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-01-23 22:46:54 UTC
Imperial loyalist are all all invited as a matter of course.
Erin Savonarola
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-02-05 03:44:52 UTC
Rumors of my death are exaggerated. While some Blood Raiders no doubt thought that assassinating me, or even attempting such an act would cancel my festival, it has only hardened my resolve. I shall see you all there.
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-02-05 04:22:36 UTC
This is good too here my suuolo, please do not forget to send myself the location so i may begin moving my gifts for the festival, thank you.
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