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Incursus vs Tristan

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Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#1 - 2015-01-20 19:58:38 UTC
Cap boosted dualrep Tristan

vs

Cap boosted dualrep railcursus.

And Tristan wins ?

Fail game balance, as always.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#2 - 2015-01-20 20:44:06 UTC
He orbits you at 500 or something, so yeah probably.
Also dual rep cursuses need friends to be good imo.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#3 - 2015-01-20 20:49:12 UTC
nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out,

what a fun fight ... Roll
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#4 - 2015-01-20 21:04:07 UTC
Even at 7000 your rail tracking is not that great, while his drones don't care about pretty much everything.
So yeap, tristan victor. ;D
Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2015-01-20 21:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Violet Crumble
So let me get this right.

You had a fight that ended in a stalemate and you warped out after running out of cap boosters and somehow that means the game is not balanced?

I am assuming you would only accept that the game is balanced if you had killed him?

Trying to make a conclusion about balance on the basis of 1 fight is pointless, but doesn't seem to be an issue here anyway. What were his skills, implants, boosters, links vs. yours? What is his pvp experience vs yours? How much time has he spent flying that Tristan fit vs you flying that incursus fit? etc. So many variables.

Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime

Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6 - 2015-01-20 21:20:30 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out,

what a fun fight ... Roll

Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer?

Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime

Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#7 - 2015-01-20 21:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Guerrilla
Goe Rilla wrote:
Cap boosted dualrep Tristan

vs

Cap boosted dualrep railcursus.

And Tristan wins ?

Fail game balance, as always.

Worst thread of the week.

What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot.

A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes.

pew pew

Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#8 - 2015-01-20 21:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Violet Crumble wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out,

what a fun fight ... Roll

Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer?


Kill his drones in a booster-125mmrail-incursus without a web ? Because you know, cap booster requiring a med slot ... or should I use blasters instead you think ? Then any fight using rails against a tristan in that case a losing battle, then if the guy is fit with neuts, blasters wont be of much help either, even with cap booster.

Yea, it became a stalemate but in his perspective it was a clear win.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#9 - 2015-01-20 21:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
Cap boosted dualrep Tristan

vs

Cap boosted dualrep railcursus.

And Tristan wins ?

Fail game balance, as always.

Worst thread of the week.

What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot.

A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes.


You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread:

Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap)

Fyi, i was using

125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit)

I am maxed in all gunnery skills.

I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I.

The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere.

Maybe the game or maybe me.

Im open to suggestions.
Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2015-01-20 21:48:07 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
Violet Crumble wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out,

what a fun fight ... Roll

Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer?


Kill his drones in a booster-125mmrail-incursus without a web ? Because you know, cap booster requiring a med slot ... or should I use blasters instead you think ? Then any fight using rails against a tristan in that case a losing battle, then if the guy is fit with neuts, blasters wont be of much help either, even with cap booster.

Yea, it became a stalemate but in his perspective it was a clear win.

Who gives a crap what his perspective was. You seem to have fallen for it too and see him as the winner and you as the loser.

Your attitude is certainly a loser attitude. I'll give you that.

As to blaster v rail, in solo pvp I almost always go for rails (not this character), but that's just a preference. I prefer the extra damage projection, but I don't fly an incursus often either. I prefer a comet or Tristan to the incursus (but not because of balance).

Yeah without a web, killing his drones would be tough. Can't have it all, but not being able to dominate a specific situation doesn't make the game unbalanced.

Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime

Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#11 - 2015-01-20 21:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Violet Crumble wrote:
[but I don't fly an incursus often either. I prefer a comet or Tristan to the incursus (but not because of balance).


Well there you go,

So before talking, try flying what i fly more often, and against what you conveniently fly for yourself all the time because then you would have a slight idea of what im talking about.

Quote:
Yeah without a web, killing his drones would be tough. Can't have it all, but not being able to dominate a specific situation doesn't make the game unbalanced.


But you see the problem is all I see is Tristan, if you fly solo, it's Tristan 90% of the time.

Cant have it all then look whos talking.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#12 - 2015-01-20 21:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Goe Rilla wrote:
Well there you go,

So before talking, try flying what i fly more often, and against what you conveniently fly for yourself all the time because then you would have a slight idea of what im talking about.

I (this is my pvp character) didn't say I haven't flown an incursus. I used to use a dual rep fit quite often. It's just not my preference now. When I did fly it, I flew it blaster fit, but prefer Rails on a Comet these days and no high slot modules on a Tristan, or a neuting Tristan.

Plenty of experience in an Incursus, just not a preference I have anymore.

So I'm quite happy to stand by what I wrote. Two ships not killing each other doesn't mean the game is unbalanced. 1 fight being used to determine that the game is unbalanced is pointless.

If Goe Rilla is the character you used in that fight, then maybe go and get more pvp experience before coming to whinge and moan in the forum. If not, then disregard this last sentence.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#13 - 2015-01-20 22:01:16 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:

You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread:

Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap)

Fyi, i was using

125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit)

I am maxed in all gunnery skills.

I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I.

The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere.

Maybe the game or maybe me.

Im open to suggestions.

Or a different fit. Dual rep incursus is like a player made punisher, so what did you expect?
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#14 - 2015-01-20 22:02:50 UTC
Lol, this thread fails so hard. The other day I killed a blaster Comet in my rocket Breacher, does that mean that the comet isn't as good? Not by a long shot, the Comet is a much better ship (as it should be since it is a faction ship). One fight you had one time isn't really saying anything about game balance.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#15 - 2015-01-20 22:04:33 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Just not a preference I have anymore.


Well simply not many or any people's preference anymore for solo.

It used to be though, not entirely but certainly not the onesidedness of solo or even entire fleets of Tristans in space seen everywhere these days.

Care to expand on how that could be ?
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#16 - 2015-01-20 22:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:

You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread:

Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap)

Fyi, i was using

125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit)

I am maxed in all gunnery skills.

I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I.

The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere.

Maybe the game or maybe me.

Im open to suggestions.

Or a different fit. Dual rep incursus is like a player made punisher, so what did you expect?


What would you suggest that would tank as well as that tristan mentioned above then ? Small Ancillary rep with limited nanites ? Roll

Im telling you, our repping was on the same level in that fight, he was dual rep also.

With a single rep on my incursus he would out-time me in cap boosters.

So conclusion is, Railcursus against RailTristan is simply down to cap booster charges.

Which is simply, Fail.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-01-20 22:09:12 UTC
Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo



Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#18 - 2015-01-20 22:10:56 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo





Then

Suggest something else in Incursus against dual rep Tristan ...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#19 - 2015-01-20 22:21:50 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
Well simply not many or any people's preference anymore for solo.

Rubbish.

Go to zkill and search for 'incursus'. Then click on kills and search down a few pages. Plenty of solo kills there.

There is a lot of data available to check these sorts of assumptions.

Quote:
It used to be though, not entirely but certainly not the onesidedness of solo or even entire fleets of Tristans in space seen everywhere these days.

Care to expand on how that could be ?

Lot's a ships go through phases of popularity. Tristans are fairly flexible in terms of fitting - rails, blasters, neuts, pure drone boat. They can be nano fit for kiting and armor brawl fit.

So yeah, they are popular at the moment, but people get sick of flying the same thing over and over. Fads pass and another ship will take over popularity at some point.

Again. Nothing to do with game balance.

In this whole thread you haven't mounted a single good argument to explain why the game is not balanced because a Tristan and Incursus had a fight and couldn't kill each other.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#20 - 2015-01-20 22:28:20 UTC
Neuting Tristan wins.
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