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Wormhole Raven Fit - Tips, advice, suggestions and help
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Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-01-20 06:06:36 UTC
Hey guys,

If any of you have seen my posts floating around I am currently looking for a Wormhole to operate in, hopefully along side someone or with a Corporation, but till then i have been working off the assumption i will not have much support baring the person who will be helping me scan (I am not very good at Scanning), so this fit is built to be self sufficient for a few days/week at most, as i just want to get a loose idea on Wormholes and how they work and the kinda of return you can get, i am trying to get my Corporation into new stuff so we can learn a bit more, and figured if i know a bit they will be more inclined to follow, so anyways back to the fit.

It has been built so that i can be flying it within 15 days of now, mainly just Drones and Cruise missiles holding me back, but everything has been worked out (Stats, DPS, yada yada) at the level it will be when i am ready to go into a C1-C3 Wormhole space, the fit has also been made so that it isn't too expansive of a loss, so please keep these factors in mind when looking at it and giving advice, thank you!

[Raven, IRMD R4V-3N]

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
Target Painter II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

Hornet II x5
Vespa II x5
Hornet II x5
Core Probe Launcher I x1
Vespa II x5
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2500
Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x2500
Nanite Repair Paste x300
Core Scanner Probe I x8
Salvager II x6
Mobile Depot x1
Mobile Tractor Unit x1

Current Stats:

EHP: 89.5K
RESISTS: 77.3% / 76.7% / 82.5% / 85.5%
SHIELD BOOST: 611.2 HP/s
CAPACITOR: STABLE (1m35s with Shield Booster on)
DPS Launchers (Rage): 753 DPS
DPS Drones (Mediums): 149 DPS
DPS Drones (Lights): 92.8 DPS
SHIELD PASSIVE: 86.1 HP/s
MAX RANGE: 167KM
MAX TARGETING: 93.8KM

Cloak is so i can hide as i am not particulary keen to PvP in a Raven, and so i can hide if necessary.

Mobile Tractor Unit is so i can gather up loot without moving around space at a snail trail, and Mobile Deport is so after a site i can put spare Drones back in my Drone Hanger if i lost any, and switch out to Probes and Launcher for Scanning down a new site, or switching to Salvagers to Salvage the Wreaks, Nanite Paste is so i can repair modules that i have Overheated into the dirt (I think that is what this is for, figured it would help a lot on a pretty isolated excursion.

Missiles are for killing things! :D

5 of each Drone are in the Drone bay filling it (75m3)

My total Cargo of the Raven is 665m3, with all this I have used up 513.8m3, so this ship is mainly going to be used as test bed, not really meant to carry large amounts of loot, but i will get more space as i do missions and use Drones and Ammo.

So what do you think of this for a 1 man exploration unit? Please any advice or tips, i have worked hard on this fit but I am still a new to this game and its mechanics, so please, if i have made any assumption or gotten something wrong please let me know
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-01-20 07:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Chris Winter
What class of wormhole? C2? That fit looks rather overtanked for a C2, you should be able to add another TP by dropping one of your hardeners. It might have trouble in a C3, and you can't fit a Raven into a C1 wormhole.

Don't fit a cloak. It murders your scan resolution and makes it take forever to lock targets.

Do bring a mobile depot with scan probe launcher, probes, and a cloak in cargo, Just In Case.

Swap the rigs for 3x rigor 1s. Most sleepers in C2s are cruisers or frigs, and you'll have a hard time hitting them with fury cruise without rigors.
Acirimis Rockhound
#3 - 2015-01-20 07:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Acirimis Rockhound
This is so overkill... Start in a C2 and fly the myrm fit below, when you're ready for C3's, get a Gila or try and use the myrm (it should be able to do C3's seeing how the stats are almost exactly like the Gila's)

[Myrmidon, C2-C3]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II

425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Ogre II x4
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

EFT Stats at lvl 5:
810 DPS tank 47/57.5/40/50 resists
547 DPS with Hail and Ogre's... you mainly use the guns for the frigates
This fit costs 127m ISK

I don't know how heavy drones hold up against sleepers, they probably get wrecked, I use a Gila to solo C3's and use Navy Vespas for their extra tank and they *never* die.
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-01-20 23:14:06 UTC
Hey guys, thanks for those replies! I'll answer them both separately!

I did get a chance to go into a Wormhole last night with a Corp mate who normally focus's on exploration, so it made it easier, i think it was a C3 we found, he was in a Armageddon and i was in the Raven fit i have in the OP, but with some more T1 gear.

@Chris Winter - I was thinking C2 through to C4, maybe C5. TP might not be necessary as my Drones and Precisions will handle that without to much fuss according to my EFT graph thing, i tested the cloak fit out, and it is only bad really on Frigates, coming in at 42s for a lock, Battleships were 11s, and Cruisers were 16s, i can live with that, it is a easy cost to have the ability to disappear when the unfriendlies are on scan.

I changed up what was in my Cargo, i added a Hull Repairer and Armour Repairer just in case, and used the Nanites to 500 pieces. It made a pretty big difference.

As for the tank it did hold for quite a while, manage to hold it at 40% shields, we did 3 sites and it worked out well.

@Acirimis Rockhound - Hey as i said before it's tank only just held at 40%, so i am pretty sure that it wasn't over tanked, it was a C3 we tried, together it was pretty smooth, a few hairy moments though, also.. I am a role-player in game.. And i refuse to use anything but Caldari ships and weaponry, yes i know this limits me but it also makes me better at missiles and shields, then a Capsuleer who focuses on everything, and funny note on Drones, me and my mate didn't loose a single one, i was using Hornets and he was using the Amarr heavy Drones, don't know there name, and we were doing good, thanks for the fit though, ill keep it in mind if i start another a second character, unlikely though, i love Caldari too much! Haha!

Thanks both for your replies, this build seemed to run fine with back up, and that was without warping out and aggressing everything in a C3, and we did 3 sites, so that is saying something i think, the build may be overtanked for C2's but this fit is meant to be able to get me from High Sec, through Wormhole space, and out again over a time period, not just a quick few hour trip, so i might start in C2 and end up in C5, or visa versa, it was meant to be capable of running everything it might come across as i started in my OP, was actually thinking of dropping the TPII for a MicroJumpDrive for extra survivability as i found the TP to not really be of use when i look on EFT graphs regarding damage between a single and dual TP target with normal Cruise Missiles, compared to Precision Missiles with no TP, the trade off isn't much for an extra slot for something else.
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-01-21 00:24:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Chris Winter
MJD won't help much in wormholes, sleepers have MWDs and are very fast unlike mission rats.

You will not be able to do any C4 or C5 sites in your raven.

Your EFT damage graphs are not telling the full story. One TP is the bare minimum to make cruises worthwhile if you're not going to use rigor rigs.

Also, because a Raven thread wouldn't be complete without it:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x ‘HYPHNOS’ ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-01-21 00:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexi Drakenovic
Chris Winter wrote:
MJD won't help much in wormholes, sleepers have MWDs and are very fast unlike mission rats.

You will not be able to do any C4 or C5 sites in your raven.

Your EFT damage graphs are not telling the full story. One TP is the bare minimum to make cruises worthwhile if you're not going to use rigor rigs.

Also, because a Raven thread wouldn't be complete without it:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x ‘HYPHNOS’ ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


That fit isn't possible.. At all.. The Raven only has 7HS.. Not 8.. That is a Navy Raven (and is with 300mil ISK plus just for the hull), and then your sacrificing the extra DPS of 2 extra launchers, also, that leaves you with 100 Cal still for another Rig, and your shields are no resists, and why have your double tanked? That.. That doesn't make sense.. Your DPS would be terrible.. Even with Drones.. Are you maybe working off an old fit? Cause running this through EFT.. Yeah.. Don't want to offend man, but this fit does 250 DPS with its launchers.. And that is assuming Level 5 Skills.. Please tell me this fit is old or for laughs man, my fit has more EHP, and has a much high shield boost, better cap, triple the DPS, quadruple including Drones, unless this is mean to be a bait ship? That i can understand kinda..

However i hear you with the TP's ill keep one, MJD was mainly to avoid other players if Scrammed or something, but the Precisions hit Frigates at just as good as a dual TP'd Standard, i have run the numbers 2 times.. I might be missing something, but i think i got it right..
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-01-21 00:40:12 UTC
I think that was his first raven fit and you're supposed to learn how NOT to fit a raven from it :p

Art of Explosions
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-01-21 00:43:49 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think that was his first raven fit and you're supposed to learn how NOT to fit a raven from it :p


I hope so.. I just ran it through EFT based off a Navy Raven hull... 550mil for something that i can volley down in my cartridge from my Raven with Drones help.. And Sleepers of more damage then me (At least from watching their stuff hit me and me watching my shields do leaps downwards, haha!)

Maybe the old Raven had 8 Highs? I don't know, i only started 2-3 weeks ago..
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-01-21 04:12:58 UTC
Alexi Drakenovic wrote:
That fit isn't possible.. At all.. The Raven only has 7HS.. Not 8.. That is a Navy Raven (and is with 300mil ISK plus just for the hull), and then your sacrificing the extra DPS of 2 extra launchers, also, that leaves you with 100 Cal still for another Rig, and your shields are no resists, and why have your double tanked? That.. That doesn't make sense.. Your DPS would be terrible.. Even with Drones.. Are you maybe working off an old fit? Cause running this through EFT.. Yeah.. Don't want to offend man, but this fit does 250 DPS with its launchers.. And that is assuming Level 5 Skills.. Please tell me this fit is old or for laughs man, my fit has more EHP, and has a much high shield boost, better cap, triple the DPS, quadruple including Drones, unless this is mean to be a bait ship? That i can understand kinda..

It's an old joke.

http://throughnewbeyes.com/2012/12/23/my-raven-was-equipped-with-the-following/

Quote:
i tested the cloak fit out, and it is only bad really on Frigates, coming in at 42s for a lock, Battleships were 11s, and Cruisers were 16s, i can live with that, it is a easy cost to have the ability to disappear when the unfriendlies are on scan.

A cloak doesn't let you immediately disappear. You can't use it if you're being targeted, which the NPCs in sites will have you targeted all the time anyway. The delayed lock time is also more frustrating than you really think it is. Honestly, the best usage for that high slot is a probe launcher, so you don't get trapped even if you lose your depot. If that bothers you, fit a salvager instead, since a big chunk of the value of C1-C3 sites is from salvage.

Quote:
However i hear you with the TP's ill keep one, MJD was mainly to avoid other players if Scrammed or something, but the Precisions hit Frigates at just as good as a dual TP'd Standard, i have run the numbers 2 times.. I might be missing something, but i think i got it right..

MJD doesn't work when you're scrammed.

As for missiles vs. frigates. I used the following fit to emulate an Emergent Defender. It has the required 35m sig radius and 270m/s speed (source: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=30212 ) when flown by an "All level V" pilot:
[Rifter, Emergent Defender]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System I

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Higgs Anchor I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
[empty rig slot]
According to the EFT dps graph, using precisions with no TPs, you'll do ~87 dps to the frig with all Vs. With T1 missiles and 2 TPs, you do ~78. With precisions and 2 TPs, you do ~136. With precision, 2x TPs, and 3x rigor 1s you'll do ~194 dps. T1 missiles, 2 TPs and rigors: ~120.

That's with all level 5 skills. With worse skills you'll do less damage.

Quote:
I don't know, i only started 2-3 weeks ago..

I found your problem. With only being 2-3 weeks old in-game you really shouldn't be flying a battleship yet, much less in a wormhole. As an example, that co-processor in your fit shouldn't be necessary--with good skills, you should be able to make that fit work without the coprocessor.

If you really, really want to start in wormhole anomalies already, grab a drake and do C1 sites for now until your skills catch up.

If you really, really, really want to fly a raven in wormholes anyway, maybe try a fit more like this:
[Raven, IRMD R4V-3N But Better]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Shield Boost Amplifier II
X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Hornet II x5
Vespa II x5
Hornet II x5
Vespa II x5
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2500
Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x2500
Nanite Repair Paste x300
Core Scanner Probe I x8
Mobile Depot x1
Mobile Tractor Unit x1

Better tank, better damage application, longer cap life than what you originally posted. Use whichever missiles you want--precision for frigs, faction or fury for cruisers and larger, depending on how the EFT graphs work out. If you can't fit it, don't fly it until you have the skills to make it fit.

Also note that with TPs, the meta 4 are better than the T2.
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-01-21 04:35:32 UTC
Thanks for the awesome long reply man!

Sorry i didn't get your joke.. I never heard of it before and i was like "this guy can't be serious" haha! Sorry about that man.

It isn't meant to be used during a combat site or while I'm being shot at, it is meant to be used if a hostile comes up on D-scan so i can disappear before he gets to me.. Hopefully give him the run around, as a Raven can't hold its own in PvP, not with this fit at least.

Sorry about that, thought the MJD did, maybe its Warp Disrupted i was thinking of? I know it is ne of them that doesn't stop it.. Might have to research that, and damnit, i got my numbers wrong.. Sorry about that mate, still getting used to the mechanics of this game, will go back to using twin Painters.

And I hate it when people says this.. I was running Lvl 4 missions solo after week 1, and run my Raven in most of them now, and i have never had to warp out or nothing, my shields have only been wiped out once (baring the 2 ships i lost in my first 5 days). If i can fly it and fly it well then isn't that what matters? All my skills are focused to the Raven, and i was running C3's last night with a same skill point pilot, but he focus's on Drones and Exploration, and we did fine, we run Level 4's all the time, never once have we lost a ship, and that is when we agro the whole pocket, haha! And just so you know, that fit, is impossible without a Co-Processor, even with all Level 5's.. So yeah man.. However I do like your fit, i might try it out, ill merge it into my own thing, thanks for that mate, I will work on my numbers in the future and try not to embarrass myself like that!

But yeah, please stop saying that a 3 week ol pilot shouldn't be in a Battleship, if it works and works well for what we do then that is all that matters, difference if i was hunting for PvP or something like that, but for a mission runner (at the moment at least, i am trying skills for PvP) they are great, I have been running them for a week and a bit, and making ISK, they don't die, its if your 3 weeks old pilot and stupid as sin then id agree with you, but these things are great, i haven't dropped below 40% shields, and that is when I'm 20km away from the enemy, and just letting rip, probably helped that unlike most newer players i actually researched a lot before i started and had a clear skill plan, all my skills are Shields and Missiles, unlike most players that spread like a bush and go in all directions for their first few days/weeks i was always on point, so yeah man, I like my Raven, and after running those C3 sites last night it proved itself just like it does in every Level 4.. But anyways off topic, you do need that Processor to run that fit i was using even with all Level 5's (I already have level 4 for CPU effectiveness).

Anyways, thanks for the reply man! I will try out that fit, it looks good in the EFT i am using, will test drive it tonight, have a good one and fly safe, or fly hard!
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-01-21 05:12:16 UTC
Your original fit works fine without a co-processor at all 5s.

Raven has 750 base CPU. With CPU management 5, it has 937.5.

The one you're missing is probably Weapon Upgrades. Each level reduces the amount of CPU your launchers take. At level 4 or 5, it fits without a coproc when you have CPU management 5.
Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-01-21 05:14:17 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Your original fit works fine without a co-processor at all 5s.

Raven has 750 base CPU. With CPU management 5, it has 937.5.

The one you're missing is probably Weapon Upgrades. Each level reduces the amount of CPU your launchers take. At level 4 or 5, it fits without a coproc when you have CPU management 5.


Ah.. That might be the one I'm forgetting, sorry again then man! Haha!

Thanks for the advice and help!
Berina Jouhinen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-01-22 20:54:10 UTC
Regarding your RP status, do Guristas ships count as Caldari? Because if so I highly recommend the Gila or Rattlesnake. Snake is one of if not the premier C3 ship right now, and honestly it's not that hard to fly. The Gila is good too, more agile so ably to run like hell when there's company.