Intergalactic Summit

Now, what does "conventional" morality mean?..

You want TRUE JUSTICE?!

You will see TRUE JUSTICE, when your homeworld will burn from orbital bombing, you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your worlds will be occupied for 200 years, you will see TRUE JUSTICE, when occupants on your homeworld will scream "exterminate all Jin-Mei", you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your capital fleet will be lured to your world low orbit and smashed down to rain on you molten carbides and capital superstructure parts, you will see TRUE JUSTICE, when your stations will be rammed by those, who will claim to make peace with you, you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your POWs will be tortured like in Federal prisons.

You think I LACK courage to bring you TRUE JUSTICE?!

Come here, to warzone, and see for yourself, federal lapdog, I will stuff you with superheated justice.

So, true justice for gallenteans and their pet lapdogs from "gallenteanized" races is "madness"?

Pretty much explains why most of you are war criminals, genocidists, why you mistreat prisoners and violate treaties. Your concept of freedom basically tells you that you can do whatever you want.

This won't work in the State and with Caldari citizens. We uphold the law. We bring the law. And we will force you to obey the law.

It took a while, but I finalized the article on the destruction of the Blood Winery at last:

Blood Winery destroyed in discord

I like to thank everyone who answered my request for information prior. It has been a great help!

The reason for the late publication was that I did my best to analyze everyone's motives without all the mud-throwing involved that you can see in this thread. (sans Nauplius, as he is so 'kind' to explain them here)


----Below comment contains major errors & is no longer valid, I fully accept my responsibility of the grievances I created by writing a false report based on faulty data & letting my emotions overcome fact, henceforth my apologies towards Pyre & PIE for the misrepresentation regarding their presence during the engagement------

In short, the whole mess at the second attack began due to a too strict application of the NBSI rules of engagement employed by a lone Pyre pilot, resulting in what could have escalated into a fleet fight between blues.

PIE in my opinion did everything they could within their power to prevent an escalation, up & including an order for retaliation fire, a needed step, as Pyre has mentioned in previous conflict of interest to deal with it through diplomatic contacts, something that's impractical on the field of battle.
I-RED also assisted in prevention of escalation by employing fleet avoidance tactics, in order to prevent Pyre engaging them. PIE did warn Pyre of consequences, but did not go further as long as no direct conflict occurred.

The arrival of Ethical carnage did pacify the situation in the end, enough to let all 4 fleets engage the tower in an uneasy temporary truce.

However the destruction of the hangar at the end by Pyre struck me as needlessly, as previous attacks on the Nauplius' Blood towers have shown that PIE boarding troops can successfully breach the security. Will it cost lives? Undoubtedly, but not as many as the destruction of the facility.
Are there slaves scarred beyond help due to the trauma's endured under Nauplius? Undoubtedly as well, but to simply destroy the facility without giving the healthy ones a chance is just unneeded violence if they could be saved.
Note, due to how Concord generates Kill reports of structures, everyone who fired on a Tower, will also show up on any attached structure destroyed after. Do note, the damage contribution is still calculated on a per structure basis.

The whole turmoil caused by Pyre's strict adherence to NBSI RoE did generate a delay that proved lethal to the survivors as a hostile fleet drove the rescue force out, allowing Nauplius to kill the non-rescued survivors by blowing up the sealed parts of the wreckage.

One last note, I could have gone the easy way, and simply demonize Pyre for 'being evil capsuleers attacking willy-nilly' but I choose not to, analyzing deeper on how & why things happened they way they did during the second attack. Due to this, I do not expect this report to be to the taste of everyone.

------------------------ Above comment contains factual errors--- Not edited out as it would put below commentors in a bad light and would display avoidance of consequence on my side for erasing faulty published data from public---------

Where did you get it, Ms. Gwen?!..

Killing someone is illegal action, and where it is permitted is strongly controlled by law.
But this "innocent civilian" part is what made me cringe . Where is this wording from? Some cheap gallentean reel with dubious moral about pseudo-"good" hero who behaves unprofessionally and follows antihuman ideals?..

According to such definition you, Ms. Gwen, who can be considered as a military pilot (as capsuleer program allows you to fly combat ships), in some context you won't be civilian anymore. And if you, for example, will take someone's candy from the table, you will be guilty in theft and not innocent anymore.

Thus, if you would steal a candy, you will be neither innocent nor civilian, and according to such "moral", it is okay, for example, for Mr. Nauplius to take you and kill you by turning you into wine.

Well, luckily, it is against the law in the State, so while you will stay as Caldari citizen, you will be pretty much safe.

And, as you can see, this example wouldn't fit neither as a conventional, nor as moral. I, actually, can offer another example myself, that would definitely fit under "conventional" morality:



See, from one side, it is not regulated by law. From other side, we all know that being an egoistic individualist is wrong and the society won't like you.

The report is filled with factual errors, faulty conclusions and despite your claims is terribly one-sided.
If we would have at any point considered engaging the PIE fleet there wouldn't have been a lot of it left by the time Ethical Carnage arrived.

Fact Check:



The entities we engaged on the tower had made it very clear that they would be acting with hostile intent towards us. We had (also) made it very clear that there might be repercussions if we ran into them. I really don't see how shooting people we have set mutual red is 'a strict adherence to NBSI policy'



PIE fielded a grand total of around 4 pilots. For gods sake, even Ishuk-raata Enforcement Directive, an alliance on life support, fielded more pilots (although they managed to waste everyone's time and hide behind the skirts of Ethical Carnage when they arrived, making rather weak efforts to disrupt the tower assault operations, so I suppose PIE contributed more).

Although I enjoy reading these articles filled with mildly amusing rubbish, I think perhaps you should leave those to Muck Raker.

Truth is the concern of all men.

---currently rewriting article, based on new data & re-interpretation of old data given----Major error was made on my side by allowing emotion & personal judgement getting in the way of facts----

Sorry to learn of the loss of your latest tower, Mr Nauplius.

Regardless of the outcome, sir I do believe you're doing something right.

With the consistent calls-to-arms in space each time, followed by the bickering and diplomatic in-fighting that continues for days or even weeks afterward via the galnet and beyond, you'll have your detractors exhausted in no time and likely killing each other instead of your stuff.

Well played, sir. And best of luck for your next venture