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Do you unconsciously associate the Empires with RL nationalities?

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Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
#81 - 2015-01-20 21:03:51 UTC
It's difficult to unconsciously make an association when you know what CCP consciously intended, at least originally.

Luminaire (VI) was colonised by French settlers from Tau Ceti, so it kind of follows that the Gallente have a French flavour, even if other elements of the Federation do not.

What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space?
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#82 - 2015-01-20 23:23:12 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way). Or are the Minmatar more like the Palestinians? Or maybe the Israelis?


Minmatar aren't all black. Brutor are. Or were. Anyone can be any skin tone now. It is kind of bizarre that only Minmatar have people with African features though. I guess the Gallente/Caldari/Amarr home worlds were much less environmentally diverse somehow. But anyway, I doubt the people of the year AD 8061 (the year the EVE gate closed) will resemble present day racial and national divisions at all. Maybe some neo-primative human stuck on Matar, after all technology was wiped out by the collapse, found a hard copy of some Norse mythology text and took it seriously. Meanwhile someone on the original Amarr world found a copy of the Christian Bible/the Quran/futuristic equivalent. I dunno, I haven't read through the lore much. You can make up all kinds of scenarios though. Maybe there is a big revival of the original European religions in our near future, and a lot of people from Europe settle on Mars, and solidify old Norse stuff as the culture of Mars, and eventually travel through the EVE gate and settle on Matar, and get cut off from one another without technology and evolve distinct appearances. Of course people don't start getting back into space again until AD 21290... so they'd have to retain this neo-Norse culture for 13,000 years. lol.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#83 - 2015-01-21 01:31:17 UTC
Ilany wrote:
What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space?


Maybe the Indian cultural groups became what we knew as "Jove"?
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2015-01-21 01:35:11 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Ilany wrote:
What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space?


Maybe the Indian cultural groups became what we knew as "Jove"?



Would explain why the disappeared they are just keeping us on hold.

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#85 - 2015-01-22 01:46:53 UTC
This is an example of a conversation that started out kind of slow, then fizzled out altogether. Big smile

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Justin Zaine
#86 - 2015-01-22 08:16:45 UTC
I am Canadian. Also Gallente. Not a coincidence.

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He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#87 - 2015-01-22 08:37:32 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:
I am Canadian. Also Gallente. Not a coincidence.

and you live in Quebec by any chance?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way).

It would take ONLY 6k years to change our skin color. So it is possible. It would be like nordic matars were enslaved by some religious mix of amarrians with byzantine rite. In our history nordic mercenaries protected Byzantium from dangers...

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Justin Zaine
#88 - 2015-01-22 11:31:03 UTC
Quote:
And you live in Quebec by any chance?


Thankfully not, it was the worst driving experience of my life.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#89 - 2015-01-22 13:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Gallente = EU - liberal with quietly underlying fascism
Caldari = Japan/S. Korea/China - lassaiz faire economy, collectivist culture
Amarr = USA - after Palin/Santorum are elected
Minmatar = Third World
Vladimir Strelkov
Vladimir Strelkov Corporation
#90 - 2015-01-22 15:17:04 UTC
Gallente = USA+England+France+Germany
Caldari = China+India
Amarr = Russian Empire :)
Minmatar = Islamic Caliphate
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#91 - 2015-01-22 15:19:00 UTC
No. Sadly, I know too much about history and RL nations, so it doesn't work. I can't even force myself to connect NE nations with real life, my far too rational mind just refuses to accept it.

Thanks to owning EVE: Source, I also now too much about New Eden to make this work the other direction. Quite frankly, every time I read something like the OP, I have to cringe because it is so objectively wrong.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2015-01-22 15:33:17 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
No. Sadly, I know too much about history and RL nations, so it doesn't work. I can't even force myself to connect NE nations with real life, my far too rational mind just refuses to accept it.

Thanks to owning EVE: Source, I also now too much about New Eden to make this work the other direction. Quite frankly, every time I read something like the OP, I have to cringe because it is so objectively wrong.


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Gul Harat
The Loner Souls
#93 - 2015-01-22 16:22:03 UTC
I don't see them as current RL nations but rather as entities evolved around ideas and lifestyles of groups in 18th and 19th century.

Amarr are confederates from US civil war.
Gallente are unionists from US civil war.
Caldari are british east india company and other similar colonialists
Minmatar are Africans nations: zulu, boers, as well as other tribes being used as source of work force/slaves
Flavan
Church of the Jovian Space Turtles
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#94 - 2015-01-26 11:40:01 UTC
Gallente are French (obviously)
Caldari are American with their capitalist mindset, German with their efficiency and in the sense that they are a state built of bankers, but Finnish/Scandinavian in their system names
Amarrian are Byzantine/Middle Eastern (n that they follow a religion I've no understanding of)
Minmatar are like the juvenile delinquents rising up against, well, everything

Serpentis are a Bond villain with spaceships

And I couldn't help, when first reading about the ISIL/ISIS mob in Syria, thinking they sound like Goons on a rampage
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jurgen b
Papal Zouaves
#95 - 2015-01-26 12:53:22 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
This isn't meant to be a hit-piece of a thread, and I would hope that people can behave themselves.

However, it occurred to me that, since I started playing EVE back in 2004, I have constantly heard the Gallente referred to as 'the French,' and that -- during that same time -- I have kind of come to see the other nations as being tied to real-world nationalities. This is my list, as I see EVE's geopolitical and cultural landscape:

Gallente: I don't just view them as French, per se, but western European as a whole. I think they embody just as many elements of modern Dutch and Belgian culture, as well as even some aspects of British liberalism (their ships also, for whatever reason, remind me a bit of British naval architecture in the First World War, though I cannot lay my finger on why), as they do France.

Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. It just fits: a Roman/Christian homogenization that embraced widespread slavery, simultaneously hell bent on spreading the word of God via force, and constantly battling what were seen as 'unruly masses' on all fronts. The only thing that doesn't work is that the Amarr themselves look Scandavian to me, which obviously wouldn't fit. Culturally, however, it's mostly a lock... though I think the more puritanical aspects of the Amarr also remind me a bit of the South African Boers of the late 19th century.

Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck.

Minmatar: I went back and forth on this one. I think they are either post-Nixon China (an ethnically-diverse, rising power eager to flex its new muscle on a world stage), or possibly someplace like Vietnam (a little guy who shocked a superpower).

Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context).




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jurgen b
Papal Zouaves
#96 - 2015-01-26 12:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: jurgen b
Vladimir Strelkov wrote:
Gallente = USA+England+France+Germany
Caldari = China+India
Amarr = Russian Empire :)
Minmatar = Islamic Caliphate




i would say Gallente EU -- Caldari = bleu suits - NA -- Amarr - Middle east and mimatar - South Africa why South Africa and this is not as a insult, South African people they can build anything out of scraps and make it work as well. i mean this as something positif Big smile they are inventors.
Red Khalmer
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#97 - 2015-01-26 13:42:49 UTC
I relate the following races to these places.
Amarr- USA
Minmatar- Europe

This is how I imagine these two races in eve. but why do I do that?

Just by the fact that minmatar militia are almost inheriently EU timezone based and Amarr militia is mostly US timezone based.
This is what makes it so interesting, what makes it so that EU people join the Minmatar side and the US people to attract to the Amarr side? What are the cultural difference that makes one place pick more of one race than the other? or was it just random coincidences in the beginning of faction warfare that made it so? I cannot answer this but it intrigues me a lot. Would be awesome to get data on the different factions militia and where they are geographically located.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2015-01-26 17:52:16 UTC
A long time ago, a friend told me that the Minmatar were the space Mexicans.

I can confirm, for I flew minmatar for a while.

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2015-01-26 19:51:47 UTC
Gallente can NOT be French. They would be flying white flags and recoil in horror at the mention of bath soap...