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Do you unconsciously associate the Empires with RL nationalities?

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Blobskillz McBlub
Drone Riders
#21 - 2015-01-18 14:29:05 UTC
minmatar are black space vikings

caldari are a japanese / german mix

gallente are a Frrench / USA mix

Amarr are the space Vatikan
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#22 - 2015-01-18 14:30:12 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:


I mean Germany in general -- I think the Caldari State reflects both the more militant German culture of the 1860s-1940s (well, Prussia until 1871), and also embodies the post-WW2 banker state that we see now. Today's Germany essentially dominates the European economy by providing loans and bailouts, as well as serving as the biggest exporter of products to local nations, particularly in Eastern Europe.


did you ever wonder, where do banks get so much money, that everyone is in debt to them ?

the simple answer is they don't

They "legally" make new money whenever they give out a loan
Solecist Project
#23 - 2015-01-18 15:22:25 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Provence Tristram wrote:


I mean Germany in general -- I think the Caldari State reflects both the more militant German culture of the 1860s-1940s (well, Prussia until 1871), and also embodies the post-WW2 banker state that we see now. Today's Germany essentially dominates the European economy by providing loans and bailouts, as well as serving as the biggest exporter of products to local nations, particularly in Eastern Europe.


did you ever wonder, where do banks get so much money, that everyone is in debt to them ?

the simple answer is they don't

They "legally" make new money whenever they give out a loan

Imagine how good we would have it ...
... if fake authority wouldn't force us to throw money away all the time ...
... and our traitorous governments wouldn't support them.


That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-01-18 15:32:48 UTC
Nimrod vanHall wrote:
I see the Caldari as a Japanese , Korean fusion , joined by Some (Dutch) multinationals.
I see the Galente as the Europeaan Union.
I see the Amarr as a super mighty Iran
I see the Minmatar as the Brazille / India


And THAT is why I picked Caldari Lol

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Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-01-18 15:42:37 UTC
Interesting question / article. Was thinking this a few days ago while mildly daydreaming during the last hour of work. . . . .

I dont think it can be as clear cut as 'one EVE race = One RW race / Nationality, but rather an amalgam of different nationalities from different time periods.

Amarr - has a bit of a feel of 'age of exploration' conquistadors -perhaps in the back story, but also much akin to Japan in the 30's/ and 40's an era where they walked out of the league of nations and held strong imperialist designs while having a 'cult' psudo-religion based around the emperor, many of the 'great works' of Japan in that time were built on the backs of slave labor using POW, or citizens of subjugated 'inferior' countries (eg the burma railway). There are several examples throughout history where religion and royalty/leaders have become fused - Ancient Egypt, Charlemagne and the holy roman empire, Spanish conquistadors/inquisition era, through to modern day examples of the arabian peninsula and North Korea. Summing up, I think the Amarr are meant to represent this theme of the tie up of state and religion, but very difficult to give an exact country.

Caldari - That said, Caldari naming of systems, certainly has a japanese/korean/chinese flavor in the language. Though I can see the caldari more akin to the rise of the British empire where many overseas conquests were carried out by companies, and these companies held more power than the throne ( East india company - India ; West India company - carribean), until finally being subjugated back under the crown. Dont think the Caldari state is docile. I think like the earlier british example, the state owns a share and stake in most of the companies while allowing them to pursue their own paths. A more modern day example of caldari could well be america where it often seems that the mega-corporations have more power than the government and choose the president, lets face it, we all know the oil industry paid for Bush Jr presidency!!! Here, there are several other possible examples through time where the company is more powerful than the state, which is the model for caldari.

Gallente - I think I agree with earlier comments regarding Gallente and western Europe. The back story actually states they are descended from french colonists, (this can be seen with naming conventions of the systems in gallente space having a strong 'Gallic' flavor) - though again I think more akin to the whole of western Europe - right from the renaissance, through to modern times. Digging further back, the models for gallente would be routed in the Greek 'BC' city states and the later (though pre-christian) roman empire copy thereof, with their foundations in democracy and expansions in philosphy, art and science. Gallente are the idea of democratic state, where freedom of the individual comes first, above state, above religion, and above corporation. Throughout history again, there are many attempts at this kind of 'government' from a small tribal scale to some of the largest nations we have today, but then as Winston Churchill once said "Democracy is the worst form of government - except for all the others that have been tried!"

Minmatar - Clearly the Min are linked to all oppressed masses that have broken the shackles of their masters, ranging from the Isrealites under Egypt, through the many European Tribes at the breakdown of the roman Empire, and countless other freedom from oppression movements through the ages - usually involving breakdown of empires, through to the freedom of slaves in the western world, with a touch of the repatriation and rights of the indigenous peoples of the Americas and Australia. The one that most sticks in my mind as a representation of the Min is the post Russian revolution, in that all too brief period before the rise of the communist dictators and the 'party', with a hint thrown in of everyone that has ever been freed by an oppressing power.

In conclusion, I think it is wrong to try to link any particular EVE race with a direct real world counterpart, but rather see them all as an amalgam of ideals and representations of several countries/tribes/nations throughout the long development of human history.

Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#26 - 2015-01-18 16:15:03 UTC
No.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#27 - 2015-01-18 16:28:21 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
No.


This.

Or maybe I'm just kissing ass to get into a little bee corp.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#28 - 2015-01-18 16:31:28 UTC
nope

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#29 - 2015-01-18 16:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Plug in Baby
Amarr = USA, monotheistic, slavery etc..

Minmatar = Africa, tribal themes, slavery

Caldari = Germany (early 20th century) rise of nationalism, great military and industrial strength (could also be japan)

Gallente = Western Europe - civil liberties, mix and match, french themes.

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#30 - 2015-01-18 19:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Unezka Turigahl
Obviously.

Caldari reminds of USA with its corporate rule and Japan with its tough corporate structure/life. Caldari also feels very militarized, again drawing to mind USA. Look at all those buzzcuts/hightops. Its like a race of Guiles. Caldari also has an air of efficiency, which always brings to mind Germany. But then the system names also remind me of Finnish sometimes, with lots of vowels and doubled letters. Maybe that's just meant to sound Japanese.

Gallente is what the USA always claims to be. Their ships are too form over function though. USA is generally about function and being cost effective. Cost effective to build anyway. Not necessarily to run. Profit margins. Churn and burn. Gallente is obviously meant to be French with those system names... Also, if you are born as a Frenchie in the real world, you receive an innate +1 to artsyness, it's a fact. Being a French artist is basically cheating. And Gallente ships and structures are definitely the most artsy fartsy of the factions. I don't know how the Mesopotamian god names fit in. Just sounds cool I guess. The rivalry between Gallente/Caldari highlights the German influence in Caldari I guess.

Amarr brings to mind the USA with its slavery and (ongoing) racism. The USA is also still very religious compared to other western nations. Politicians are always trying to use religious junk as the basis for laws, and Presidents still end every communication with God bless America. USA conquests generally come down to gaining influence and profit though, rather than religious conquest. The nation just wasn't around early enough to get in on all the hardcore religious conquest. A religious sheen is applied to gain support from a certain subset of the population. Then again, there was the whole idea of manifest destiny, justified expansion from shore to shore, and eradication of the Godless "savages" during the country's founding. Sounds like Amarr. But Amarr obviously also brings to mind the Roman Empire. Also, the Confessor brought some new design language to Amarr ships - tiled patterns. This reminds me of Ottoman art and I hope to see more of it, or even a total replacement of the floral patterns with tiles. Much better looking. For me, Amarr is just all peoples who have been under the influence of the Abrahamic religions. And as if that wasn't off-putting enough, CCP added slavery and racism on top.

Minmatar was originally supposed to have a Maori influence but I'm not sure that ever came through much. I guess the new tattoos hit on that a bit, particularly with all the chin-pieces. And maybe the ship designs too. Sails, paddles, brown color. Minmatar were slaves, and used to be the only faction with black people, so American slavery will often come to peoples' minds. Then there is the heavy Norse influence in the names of ships and some systems even. Minmatar seems the most eclectic, even though going by the descriptions you would assume Gallente would be. Minmatar I prefer to see as all "pagans", "heathens", and "godless savages" throughout the world and throughout time.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#31 - 2015-01-18 19:51:22 UTC
Varathius wrote:
(...) Ever heard of the Spanish and Portuguese conquistadores ? they were (next to the British of course) some of the most pro-Slaves nations in the history of the universe. Not to mention, the Spanish especially killed everything and asked questions later, if even... The Portuguese had a great time however making babies with their slaves in their colonies, thus, Brazil was born. Doesn't sound like Gallente to me lol.(...).


I wonder if *you* ever heard of that... only 10% of all Spaniard colonists were women, and they usually were married women traveling overseas to meet their husbands. So, care to guess how did all that 90% of single male colonists marry and reproduce...?

This is why Latin America is full of non-white people, whereas most of Northern America is full of non-American people.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#32 - 2015-01-18 20:12:01 UTC
On topic:

I've always figured the Amarran as Spanish of the imperial age.

Religious zealotry? Check.
Conquerors? Check.
Assimilators rather than exterminators? Check.
Exploiters and slavers "for the good of the infidels"? Check.


The Caldari, I see them as Japanese souls in German bodies.

The Gallente, they're somewhat French. In my mind they stand for the humanist values of Western civilization.

Minmatarr, they are a loose bolt. They were CCP's favorite race, but they pretend to be so many things that they end up being nothing in my mind. Admittedly, I don't think that being "tribal" is a positive thing, though...

Contrary to most of the opinions here, I don't see any empire as being (US) American.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#33 - 2015-01-18 20:38:00 UTC
How's about

Nah

Y'all
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#34 - 2015-01-18 22:27:40 UTC
Amarr : Western conservatism & religious
Gallente : Western liberalism & hedonistic
Caldari: Asian
Minmatar: African

The way I feel they resemble
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-01-18 22:36:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Caldari = America.


Profits before everything else.

At this point in time, that's the whole of the "western civilisation". Imho.

Default Caldari names are a weird Finnish/Asian mix. Gallente names have a French ring to them. That's all I've got.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#36 - 2015-01-18 22:41:56 UTC
No.

Remove standings and insurance.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#37 - 2015-01-18 23:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
If I unconcsciously do it, how do I know? (just being facetious)

No.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#38 - 2015-01-18 23:56:09 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
No.


This.

Or maybe I'm just kissing ass to get into a little bee corp.

Mr Epeen Cool

If that were the case you'd be wasting your time. I have no say in recruitment.
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-01-19 00:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Snagletooth Johnson
Im proudly American centric

Amarr are Demcrats
Gallente are Republicans
Caldari are Libertarians
and the Minmitar are...well...every trailer park, ghetto and back alley dumpster in Amercia.


But honsetly, they seem to have taken every good and bad from nealry every emprical/dominate race in the world, and spread it out equally so that you see what you want to see based on your own views of the world.

There's a bit of Roman on every race, there's a bit of the US in every race, there's a bit of Europe in every race, ect.

What you see says alot about you, not about the game.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-01-19 00:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Civire
Its a game can we move on and forget about politics, thats why we play game to "forget" the outside world to enjoy or virtual world something we never will do in or life "yet".

And if you see this game like that i think you have some real issues in real life. Perhaps a doctor can help you. And not a CCP forum!